dude there is no god everything is by chance and nothing matters at tne end of the day because everything is just matter and energy and morals are relitive so it doesnt matter if u live like hitler or Jesus (not real) because you both are gonna die and its gonna be nothing

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>>12338027 (OP)
Think about the reaction and movement that can be done all over the world,buddy

>>12338027 (OP)
Sure young op.
My belief is mine, your belief is yours.

>>12338027 (OP)
Morals are relative but they matter because my personal values matter to me, I make meaning, subjectivity is my truth and I'll kill for my truth.
>there is no god
Yes and no. Gods are egregores. They're powerful thoughtforms brought into being through belief, practice and will, they can effect reality.
Do I believe in a sky daddy will spank my coochie for being a naughty little sinner? No chance, but I believe in tulpas and I believe in myself, so in a certain sense I believe in "gods".
>you both are gonna die and its gonna be nothing
Not true, I remember past lives, I remember past deaths. Do you remember what it's like to die? Because I do. There is no getting off Mr Bone's wild ride.

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>>12338062
dude your persoanl experiences mean nothing to anyone except u because u could b lying and when you say morals are relative you have to accept that while your personal values can matter to u, its no more right or wrong than anyone elses morals or personal value so nothing is right or wrong

>>12338027 (OP)
Existing is so absurd you can believe anything you want
cross, helix or power you do you

>>12338079
so i can believe 2 + 2 = 5? i can believe rape is moral and good?

>>12338027 (OP)
>dude there is no god
FACT CHECK: TRUE
It's astronomically unlikely that our universe was created by a god, as not only is god a priori an extremely unlikely thing to come into existence, but the universe we live in looks nothing like what you would expect from the handiwork of an omnibenevolent being.
>everything is by chance
FACT CHECK: FALSE
Everything happens according to deterministic physical laws, except possibly for quantum phenomena. Most "randomness" is in fact an illusion.
>nothing matters
FACT CHECK: FALSE
Many things matter. For example, if you want a pizza to show up at your house, it matters whether or not you order one.
>everything is just matter and energy
FACT CHECK: MOSTLY TRUE
"everything" is ill-defined because mereological nihilism is true, but the substrate of reality is matter-energy.
>morals are relitive (sic)
FACT CHECK: UKNOWN
I actually don't know. It must be true of hypothetical imperatives but it might not be true of categorical imperatives because of stuff like open individualism and decision theory and whatever.
>it doesnt matter if u live like hitler or Jesus (not real)
FACT CHECK: MOSTLY FALSE
It does matter if you live like Hitler or Jesus because very different things will happen in those two circumstances that will have important consequences. People could get hurt if you acted like Hitler! Also Jesus was a real person.
>you both are gonna die and its gonna be nothing
FACT CHECK: MOSTLY TRUE
Philosophical presentism is false so if something had value in the past then in the future it will continue to be true that it had value. However, all living things will die and there is no afterlife.

FINAL NOTES: That anime girl is cute

>>12338082
lel dumy rape is always moral ad good

>>12338082
You can believe anything you want but if you actually want to know things you should be reading at least 3 books a week on philosophy and science not watching video essays by pretentious college students or talking with monkeys on the internet

not my problem

>>12338107
i can believe those things and since theres no objective truth and morals ar relitiv u hav to say its not wrong or right since its all relative

>>12338068
I think maybe you're incapable of understanding what I'm saying, have a nice day.

>>12338113
I didn't say there weren't objective truths just that you can believe anything based off the truths that do exist
You're wasting your time

>>12338062
>sky daddy

>>12338027 (OP)
put a my chemical romance shirt on her

>>12338147
I don't care how many drawings you have of a man with facial hair wearing a hat. It is definitely not true that our universe was created intentionally by a self-created superintelligent agent with mysterious powers. It's a silly thing to believe.

>>12338158
whats more likely, everything came from nothing? or eveyrthing came from a creator?

>>12338180
What is more likely? That a creator came from nothing, or a compressed singularity of energy came from nothing? There has to be an uncaused cause at some point, and a "creator" is far far far more complex than a bunch of randomly distributed particles. The kolmogorov prior indicates that even before considering any evidence, we should consider it almost infinitely more likely that the latter should come into existence than the former, since if you sampled from the set of all mathematical objects you'd pull out an uncountably high number of materialist universes before you pulled out a single creator. And the odds are actually worse for god than that, because we DO have evidence of what kind of universe we live in, and it doesn't look like the product of a creator at all! It's filled with unjust suffering!

People consider god to be a simple explanation for things because they don't understand just how complex minds really are. It's exactly the same error that causes people to believe in ghosts or other forms of magical thinking. They think that agents who interpret information and alter their surroundings to accomplish a goal are some kind of fundamental object rather than an extremely low-entropy and complex emergent process that only arises in nature out of massive optimization processes like evolution or gradient descent.

>>12338203
a creator would be eternal so he wouldnt need to come from anything and if you think God doesnt exist just becuase theres unjust suffering then i point you to the first page of the bible where it talks about the fall and how the world is now cursed because of it.why does unjust suffering mean theres no God? if theres an infinate God who knows eveeeyrhthing and is all good then couldnt he have reasons for things that we dont unerstnd??

>>12338203
whats more likely
the creator was a person from an advanced civilisation and eden was on some greek island
or that the creator was a magic space radio which creates your thoughts for some reason looked like a monkey cloud of gas
hint if you read genesis there was already animal skin being used for clothes
hint jews where you got your religion from have a lot of gods and none if them are space monkey radio you got that from mormons and l ron hubbard

>>12338203
>pic
look up shadows of the mind

>>12338113
It's not "relative", it's SUBJECTIVE ^_^

>>12338212
>a creator would be eternal so he wouldnt need to come from anything
Okay then I guess our universe must be "eternal" then, and the big bang must have been preceded by an infinitely long compression of the universe that mirrors its post-big-bang expansion. Now it doesn't need to come from anything because it's eternal just like god.
> and if you think God doesnt exist just becuase theres unjust suffering then i point you to the first page of the bible where it talks about the fall and how the world is now cursed because of it
Thousands of years ago, an ancient bronze age tribe told a story to explain why evil existed. According to them, God created the world six thousand years ago as a perfect utopia. However, a snake convinced humans to introduce evil into the world, and that's why suffering now exists, because it's humanity's fault and god respects our free will too much to alter our bad decision. However, we now know that our universe is actually 13.8 billion years old, and suffering existed for hundreds of millions of years before humanity ever existed, so humans can't be blamed for the existence of suffering. The garden of Eden didn't exist and neither did any of the events purported to take place there by ancient semitic tribes, even if a member of one of those tribes happened to start a cult that ended up becoming the state religion of Rome.
>why does unjust suffering mean theres no God?
Imagine that you didn't know anything about the universe, and you were betting on the odds that the universe was created by a god or not. If you learned that the universe contained lots of pleasure, but no suffering, would that cause your subjective probability that the universe was created by a god to go up or down? Obviously it would go up. If the universe was fair, and only good things happened, that would be evidence for god's existence. A randomly chosen theistic universe could be expected to have much less suffering and much more pleasure than an (1/2)

>>12338234
atheistic universe, because a god (by definition being omnibenevolent) would show compassion to the beings in their universe. So therefore if you observe the universe and find that it actually has a LOT of unjust suffering, this is evidence AGAINST the existence of god, because it means the universe more closely resembles an atheistic one than a theistic one.

>>12338027 (OP)
this is a very innacurate and shortsighted post

>>12338222
I looked it up. This is a book about the hard problem of consciousness, which is unrelated to the complexity of agentic minds. I suspect consciousness is extremely complex, but even if it turns out it's simple, it's still the case that everything ELSE about a mind is not. Consciousness can exist without intelligence or agency, which we know for certain to be complex because unlike consciousness we know the laws behind their operation and how they emerge out of simpler phenomena.

>>12338240
>a god (by definition being omnibenevolent)
where are you retards getting this ideas from

>>12338027 (OP)
Still not gonna stop me from growing along spiritual lines. That's how I stay sober.

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good times still matter

>>12338391
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goW4KbuPIzk

>>12338027 (OP)
so

>>12339028
Stole my gimmick

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>>12338033
>>12338144
dubs
>>12338222
trip

>>12338212
One thing God DOESN'T tell us in the bible is why must we suffer, why he projected the fall
It's the one thing he REFUSED to tell Job about.
To give you some clues, Augustine later describes it as it would be like filling a cup with the whole sea.
God says though he will serve the 'dragon' in a banquet to his children but that's after you're in his presence
Stop trying to interpret the bible for yourself, apostolic tradition exists.

>>12339352
How is apostolic tradition a higher authority than the Bible

>>12339686
Didn't say that

>>12339352
implictions of michael and the lord sending the dragon out of the kingdom of the lord to kill his offspring

>>12339754
Why do we need apostolic tradition to interpret the Bible

>>12339765
Because you'll end up with uncountable communities each with a different doctrine

>>12339778
Apostolic traditions somtime contradict the Bible and 2 Timothy 3:16-17 says the scripture is adequate for every good work

>>12339788
Not really and the passage is not advocating for sola scriptura in any way really

>>12339788
apostolic dubs