Thread 12606414

would you believe in Jesus Christ if you knew he was true

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>>12606416
Nobody's gonna watch this boring thing you gotta add phone and 0.3 transaction with sub and cut it down to 5 second

>>12606416
yuji sakai did u see my response to you a few days ago and do u have anything to say to it

>>12606435
what response

>>12606436
dis oen https://archive.4plebs.org/s4s/thread/12602628/#12603819

>>12606446
>you dont believe Jesus Christ for Jesus Christ to be true, Jesus Christ is true either way.
Great, then it doesn't matter if i believe in him or not. If he really is the truth then he has no need for my puny "faith". Apples grow in trees whether or not I believe they do. The Earth is round whether I believe it is round or flat.

>Jesus died for your sins and i dont know why Jesus made it so that you have to have your faith in him for his sacrifice to be applied to your life,
could it be because the structure of the belief collapses if you don't operate under the premise that it is true in the first place? in which case it would be circular reasoning. In general, it's helpful to have evidence for the things you are supposed to believe in. You dont put someone in jail for murder unless there's lots of actual evidence that the person committed the murder. We have the Standard Model of physics because it has been confirmed many times to be consistent with the real world, although its still incomplete in terms of quantum gravity. Still, its the best model we have because of evidence.

>>12606416
>filthy shoe habits

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>>12606460
>Great, then it doesn't matter if i believe in him or not. If he really is the truth then he has no need for my puny "faith"
youre forgetting that Jesus died for everyone who believes in him however

>>12606499
christianity in it's current form is the reconstituted pharisaical priesthood. "whose sins you retain they are retained whose sins you forgive they are forgiven". it's doubtful jesus said these words. the early so called church fathers were some very crafty dudes.

>>12606499
how do i know the correct religion won't be invented 3000 years from now and it says that actually jesus is heresy and unless you believe in Darth Vader the 3rd you will burn?

all in all christianity is pretty shit and illogical and nothing in it is very convincing at all, yet this is what you choose to parrot and try to shove down my throat even though you admit you haven't even opened quran or talmud or any other holy text so you can compare them to the bible and see which one has more evidence and is more convincing?

You out of all people should NOT be inviting people to the Christian faith. You literally believe you can rape kids because Jesus died for our sins so you won't go to hell for it.

>>12606522
dubs confirm

*sip*

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>>12606522
i dont care what the early church fathers say or any doctrine thats not in the bible however
>>12606525
u can know the right religion wont be inventedd in 3000 years becaus Jesus Christ is the truth an the truth doest change..?
>>12606529
i believe more than just that i believe every single sin is paid for by Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ's payment is the only reason anyone goes to heaven

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>>12606544
>u can know the right religion wont be inventedd in 3000 years becaus Jesus Christ is the truth an the truth doest change..?
you keep saying its the truth but you refuse to provide any evidence

the more you monotonically repeat the phrase "jesus is the truth" without ANY basis (other than "it says so in the bible") actually the less i believe in it

>i dont care what the early church fathers say or any doctrine thats not in the bible however
yes you start from the premise that the bible is true and everything that is said in is the absolute truth, and everything that contradicts the bible is false. this is called the fallacy of circular reasoning. it's kind of like logical inbreeding. In fact if the bible is the absolute truth then you should not even be arguing with me. You already know its the truth so any argument about it is just a waste of time

>>12606544
the early church fathers WROTE the bible you're reading today ass hat.

"unless your righteousness (wisdom courage honesty vitue etc.) exceed that of the pharisees and scribes you shall in ways enter into the kingdom of heaven"

sound familiar?

>>12606544
you're too dumb to be breathing. how the fuck are you even alive?

>>12606549
whats so shaky about the bible and every single hustorical, and philosopibical, and logcial evidence that bcakcs it up, i wanna know what you think first so we can talk about it and the bible can be true and it still be meangiful for me to talk to you about it because your denying the truth,,
>>12606550
what church father wrote any new or old testament book.. i thik u ment the apostiles and eye witness'es of Jesus wrote the new testament

>>12606522
>>12606550
thats so retarded i want u to walk us through what you think those verses mean

>>12606499
dubs

>>12606414 (OP)
Christ is born not to redeem us, but to redeem God himself

>>12606424
I mean he almost gets it. "Humans lie about what they want god to be, 3000 times so far, this assuredly means no god ever" is pretty much as dumb as any human cult's definition of gods or god.

We just don't know. Agnostics are the only honest people about the subject.

>>12607258
what makes you say that