textbook chart revised version

>no organic chemistry but includes biochemistry
We shall learn cartoons, grotesque graven images of God's design, and be wholly ignorant to the truth even as it is available to us

>>16666400 (OP)
>be me
>see haruhi
>know what's coming
>oh look, stein's gate
>oh look, lain
>what could be behind this post...

>>16666406
you should know high school stuff like organic chemistry already

>>16666410
I've been thinking about replacing lain with something else because of that for a while but I don't know what would be a good replacement

>>16666414
Then why don't you?
Sounds like someone who got filtered on easy carbonyl chemistry and never made it to the glorious age of asymmetric synthesis

>>16666418
good idea, I will put it in a "textbooks for kids" chart later

>>16666420
Or better yet, get a good nights rest! 1st period at dipshit high is bright and early tomorrow timmy. dont worry about your crush getting ripped apart by a big black nigger. keep consuuuuming that chuuni steins;gate slop, the pain at being surpassed by everyone you know will eventually pass

>>16666428
I dont care about your projections, now let the adults here discuss real science please

>>16666416
>remove lain
>remove stein
>remove haruhi
>stop putting shit anime in pictures
If you are not offended by those, fuck the hell off out of the sciences.

>>16666434
>haruhi board on anime website

>>16666437
>he actually liked watching the same episode 8 times in a row
>never mind the "genius" titular character being a fucking imbecile
"Muh anime website," indeed. Please check your categories, you have a few collation errors.

>>16666450
>filtered by endless eight

>>16666460
>thinks I was filtered
>actually finished it and successfully brain dumped the entire dumpsterfire afterwards, only to later try to watch it only to realize I ruined my selective amnesia and now must remember my hatred
Yeah. Filtered. Sure.

Looking for Physics, and Electrical books.

>>16666469

Kyon-kun, denwa!

>>16666400 (OP)
>textbook chart changes yet everyone is still on a watchlist
neat

why is stein gate there lol

>>16666400 (OP)
>Kandel
I will murder you.

>>16666464
>t. filtered by undergrad-level combinatorics

Shit tier and made by a software 'engineer'. Needs a real analysis text book like Abbot and a book on electrical circuits.

>>16666400 (OP)
>anime
kys srsly

>>16666400 (OP)
>stein gate
>lain
>haruhi
why is every single anime you chose some garbage for ironic weebs? I'm not even against the idea of you adding anime but jesus.

>>16666789
I was thinking of adding >>16666478 to the list, maybe for the next revision

>>16667227
what would you pick?

>>16667227
These are the people that think they are smarter than you.
They broadcast their "intelligence" through readily apparent adherence to patterns not at all related to intellect.

>>16666400 (OP)
Hey, OP, what's the name of the tool you used to make this chart?

>>16666400 (OP)
my favorite manga isnt in this list
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series/nmtewc0/raise-wo-chikatte-tensei-shitara-taihen-na-koto-ni-natta

>>16667550
I'll check it out

>>16667526
gimp

>>16666400 (OP)
You must be at least 18 years old to post here.

>>16666400 (OP)
steins;gate was shit, bad recommendation. fight club is a good one though

>>16666400 (OP)
>Rang n Dale
>FUCKING BIG BOY GRAY'S
I know this is supposed to be a meme but jesus fuck

>>16667550
Psyop to marry dried cartons
Pass

>>16670221
I really hope you don't use Moore as a reference
and what's wrong with Rang and Dale?

>>16666400 (OP)
>no Critique of Pure Reason
>no Rich Dad Poor Dad
into the trash it goes

>collections of random bullshit
Oh yeah you *definitely* want to know organic chemistry and also systems programming. That's baseline knowledge for anybody. Forget math or physics or anything broadly applicable, you want a pathwork collection of unrelated and esoteric knowledge. People respect that.

>>16666400 (OP)
>Anti-Tech Revolution
>SICP
>Dragon book
>Operating System Concepts
>Computer Networking
>The C Programming Language
Was the person that made this retarded, or just acting retarded?

>>16671225
great suggestions

>>16671247
>I'm still in high school and don't know math or physics please spoonfeed me
you could've just said that

>>16671268
>high school math
Ooooh you really *got* me there.

>>16671280
you should've read it in high school

>>16671286
>Rudin
Hmmmm. Is it just me that isn't a fan of Rudin, he makes analysis seem so joyless. Zorich is my nigga. Also, I just found out he died in 2023. RIP.

>>16666428
Why even bother getting triggered by this weeb >>16666400 (OP)? Why give a shit what he has to say

>>16671293
All the years I've spent studying analysis, anyone that has a bone to pick with Rudin I've found to be an absolute mathlet.
>It's not intuitive!
It's fucking analysis. Sometimes it's just symbol manipulation, and you have to put up with the fact that only some random obscure number like 11e/4 will suffice for a bound.

>>16671311
Why are you being so hostile anon? I only offered my opinion that I prefer Zorich's books to Rudins. I...I hope you have a nice day anon.

>>16671312
I'll favor your politeness. I'm just sick and tired of people shitting on a perfectly good book.

>>16671311
You probably did like one or two exercises out of Rudin and you only picked it up because some autist told you to.

Retards will study bullshit their whole lives. Accomplish nothing, publish nothing, and teach nothing. Then they claim victory because they can answer a question you cant like their life is a game of Jeapordy.

>>16671319
I got a laugh out of this one.

>>16671260
rich dad poor dad is shit

>>16671208
Reference? Nah nigga i read shi from cover to cover. my grades are in the dumpster rn but ion care.

>>16671785
based so go ahead and read big boy gray's cover to cover and stop complaining

>>16666400 (OP)
>Basic bitch red pill and introduction to science books.
Since you're guilty of philosofagging you might as well stop being an uncultured swine about it and read a book from Marshall McLuhan.

>>16666418
Do you a more complete list of modern ochem, OP? I'm quite new to the thing (Eg. Clayden, March, Grossman)

>seethe replies at textbook chart anon
why is this board so low IQ it can't even recognize its familiar posters
he has been at it for years hasn't he

>>16666400 (OP)
Add this you idiot.

>>16671957
>he has been at it for years hasn't he
yeah >>15600443

>>16671957
>reads disgust as seethe
You should reevaluate your ability to parse language.
>nooo, stop making fun of my favorite retard poser

>>16672025
>nooo, stop making fun of my favorite retard poser
no one has made fun of you anon

>>16666400 (OP)
You forgot one king.

Don't forget to be hooman

OK, Ok, calm down everybody, shall we?

1) First approximation:
-'The power of logic' by Frances Snyder.
-'Guesstimation', and 'Guesstimation 2.0' books.
-'Street-fighting mathematics'.
-'The mental calculator's handbook' by Koningsveld.

2) Going a bit further (still pre-requisites):
-'Pre-calculus' by Larson/Stewart.
-'Ordinary level physics' by A. F. Abbott.
-'How to prove it' by Velleman / 'Book of proof' by Hammack.
-'Matrices and linear transformations' by Cullen.
-'Elements of Set theory' by Enderton.
-'Principles of Mathematics' by Allendoerfer.
-'A transition to advanced mathematics' by Smith.

3) 1st year:
-Calculus by Larson/Stewart.
-Lay's Linear Algebra.
-Sears' Universitary Physics.
-C programming language, by Ivor Horton / Herbert Schildt.
-Evans' Probability and Statistics.
-Abstract Álgebra by Fraleigh.


4) 2nd year:
-Calculus by Apostol.
-Sherbert and Dennis Zill books on differential equations.
-Topology by Munkres.
-Goldstein's Mechanics (Landau-Lifshitz for more rigorous approach).
-Analysis by Apostol.
-Burden and Faires' numerical methods.
-Quantum physics' by Eisberg.
-Callen's Thermodynamics.
-Nilsson's Electric circuits.

5) Third year:
-Ahlfors' complex variable.
-Vectorial calculus by Marsden and Tromba.
-Differential geometry by Do Carmo.
-Rudin's 'Real and complex analysis', and 'Functional analysis'.
-Rotman's 'Galois Theory'.
-Nigel Smart's 'Cryptography made simple'.
-Reitz's 'Electromagnetism'.
-Hecht's 'Optics'.

Others weren't included to focus in main subjects. Enjoy.

>>16672888
good selection, but why not halliday on pre-requisites/1st year?

>>16666400 (OP)
>shitty pseud tranime nihilism
No thanks tranny. They cant be that good if youre a broke manchild that likes cartoons made for children.

>>16672898

Good question; you see, this humble list is focused on Maths as the main goal, putting Physics a bit aside. You can check that lots of physical specialties weren't included (Atmospheric Physics, Astrophysics, Biophysics, and so on); I decided to include only those ones where the student could apply himself or perceive the subjects better as saying. Plus, another goal is the real, deep understanding, rather than a rigorous approach as to work in any serious related job.

>>16672917

P.S.: Abbott's book covers all the pre-requisites with ease; moreover, Sears-Zemansky with Young & Freedman supplies it perfectly at 1st year level.
>Pic rel: the book mentioned instead of Halliday.

>>16671311
>years I've spent studying analysis
My condolences. But yeah, analysis by itself is pretty dry. I've always found it better to read a text on topology, differential geometry, etc. in parallel

>>16672888
>4) 2nd year:
>-Calculus
lmao wtf

>>16672917
your list has no fucking goal and you're absolutely delusional if you think it equips you with enough knowledge to start research in any field nowadays.

>>16673623

Each calculus takes a semester and there is Calc1, 2 and 3; in addition, the goal here is the deep understanding, rather than fitting in any official calendar.

Nevertheless, one could put Apostol in 1st year if able; this is just a possible, adaptable plan.

>>16673627

I find that this list covers pretty well the basics, which was the main goal it was originally conceived from. Researchs need at least another official year to reach the main specialties, and this is the ultimate reason why no 4th stage was included.

>>16673650
your list doesn't cover anything in depth, it's basically just a bunch of redundant introductory books for the most part and the logic and proof books are entirely unnecessary/a waste of time. For mathematical physics, you'll want to follow something like https://theportal.wiki/wiki/Read

>>16673709

Listfag here. True, I can understand your point; Geometry and Discrete Mathematics weren't included at the first year. Similarly, Finantial Maths or Mathematic models weren't at the 2nd year, and so on.

With the.possible exception of Geometry -with which I'd recommend Coxeter's and Berger's books- and Discrete M. -pic rel-, I don't think one should go much further than what these precious books provide, even in terms of introduction -which they definitely do brilliantly in about 400/500 pages as average per volume-.

Then again, it's really up to everybody. Personally I don't think anything here is redundant or useless as other commenter said some posts before; I simple beared in mind that science shines the most when can be shared and explained in plain terms; or, when its foundational basis can be clearly shown at least. That's the spirit before, basically.

>>16673709
>Georgi Shilov Linear Alg
why get this shit over LinAlg and its App by Lay or 'Linear Alg Done Right'?
This is barely readable and shouldn't be an introduction

>>16673988
It's perfectly readable you shitposter.
>why get it
Because it covers many topics not contained in either of the 2 books you've mentioned. Especially the stuff on tensors is important for physics.

>>16673847
>I don't think one should go much further
And what makes you think that? Have you done any geometry in modern math or physics? This is insanely malicious advice to anyone who wants to understand these fields. I'm at least humble enough to admit I only really learned projective geometry once I started doing algebraic geometry.
>science shines the most when can be shared and explained in plain terms
That's just a soundbite. Every serious mathematician knows the invention of new terms is inevitable and standard. You learn math by doing it, not by solely reading people pontificate over its meaning and reading extremely elementary texts.
>its foundational basis can be clearly shown
Your books don't do any of that. You just postpone any real math to the very end and even then you hardly scratch the surface. You clearly also don't even understand the math yourself or else you would've chosen books that better complement the math in your physics books.

>>16674375

>science shines the most when can be shared and explained in plain terms

>That's just a soundbite.

>>16674728

>>16674352

>Especially the stuff on tensors is important for physics.

Why not Friedberg instead, which is recommended at univ; seems a perfect companion if you seach for more

>>16666400 (OP)
Where is Cybernetics? How can you have any Lain if you don't read your Cybernetics?

>>16666469
Foundational physics - take your pick. Many regard University Physics by Young and Freedman (most recently) as the standard, others favor Physics for Scientists and Engineers by Serway and Jewett, some prefer older texts like Physics by Halliday, Resnick, and Krane.

For more advanced material (but not graduate level material)
Mechanics - Taylor
Electrodynamics - Griffiths
Quantum Physics - Griffiths or Zettili, maybe Townsend
Thermodynamics - Schroeder, I'm not personally a fan, but I'll admit that it's probably the most comprehensive of the undergraduate texts on the subject that's still readable
Astrophysics - Carroll and Ostlie (BOB)
Plasma Physics - Chen
Circuits - Horowitz and Hill

Graduate level material is complicated because there's very few texts that people will agree on

>>16674877

>because there's very few texts that people will agree on

Listfag here again; my sides, but true still.

I agree with you that Callen's Thermodynamycs (more rigurous) can be changed for Schroeder (more friendly and focused on applications), and the same could be said between Landau-Lifshitz (rigor) and Taylor (great too); plus, Griffiths truly seems slightly better than Reitz (no offense anyone).

>>16666400 (OP)
If you're replacing any of the anime, add "SONNY BOY" for me, will you?
It's good shit

Also napoleon's maxims are better then sun tzu, and machiavelli is extrem
ely basic (Given the multimedia schtick you may as well just add yes, minister)

>>16674877
It's less that people don't agree on graduate texts, and more that people have love/hate relationships with most of them: Jackson is great, but he's a bastard when it comes to cutting out nontrivial and nonobvious parts of an explanation or derivation; Goldstein is solid, but many of his examples are indecipherable; etc.

>>16666410
It was Iilip all alone

>>16671311
zorich is 10x harder than rudin lmao
rudin just sucks ass

Any thoughts about The Feynman Lectures?

Have any of you faggots ever actually read ANY textbook cover to cover? Why do you all insist on sling these threads of books you’ll never read?

>>16679662
yeah man, ive read Steins;Gate

>>16678780
TFL is good as a supplement to other texts, not as a standalone.

>>16666406
Clayden is better

>>16672888
Who the fuk takes a course on Probability before taking Calculus I/II?
Also, why would you need 3 books on fancy-schmancy introductions to math if you're still gonna go through Stewart or Larson's Calculus books?

>>16666400 (OP)
"Earth materials" is very good.
It helped me through a period when I was strongly obsessed by rocks.
Recommended.

>>16673709
>open
>linear algebra by russian
LOL kys faggot you haven't read any of it

>>16671293
>Zorich is my nigga.
Retard Zorich doesn't touch measure theory.

>>16671311
>All the years I've spent studying analysis, anyone that has a bone to pick with Rudin I've found to be an absolute mathlet.
This. Rudin's PMA is like the absolute minimum, and you should already know some applied mathematics to appreciate it, you will not realize what all of analysis is good for just by reading Rudin, it's not an essay it's a mathematics textbook.

If we're talking about RCA, up to chapter 10 it's all pretty standard knowledge too, but again you will not get the point only from Rudin's book.

It's awesome that a books like Rudin's exists, because you can go straight for what you want to. Other textbooks want to expand and spread out the actual results the title of the book is supposed to expose.

People who dislike Rudin usually don't know what they want to learn and treat "mathematical analysis" as a catch all for anything related, so they expect a book to do everything.

>>16678525
>zorich is 10x harder than rudin lmao
It's not a pissing contest, that doesn't make it better. In fact the point some people point to Zorich is because it is "le intuitive". It's not, it's just more wordy.

>>16679676
Steins;Gate is possibly the shittiest thing in OP's picture, lmao
Read literally anything else

>>16683696
ok then, I'll watch fight club

>>16666400 (OP)
>>16666406
>>16666418
>>16668060
Yes, but..

are MIR books a meme shilled by jeets and vatniks or are they gud?

>>16666478
Why did they use an astronomy cover on an electric circuits book

>>16666400 (OP)
K&R is outdated, The Prince is retarded, Art of War is rudimentary, and Fight Club is simply bad. Shit chart; you should be ashamed of yourself anon.

>>16666400 (OP)
You do not need to read The Art Of War in 2025 lmfao.

>perennial tradition cut off
>for Chinese generals 1000s of years ago
>never intended to be consumed by the masses then let alone the masses now
>utterly useless

>>16666400 (OP)
anything actually work in The Peaceful Pill?

>>16686954
from what I'm aware SN and N2/Ar are the easiest to acquire as you can simply buy them. N is unobtanium

>>16666400 (OP)
Season 3 when?

>>16681958
I'm tired of these meme lists.

>>16674829
>asking shitposter about book he hasn't read

>>16666400 (OP)
>No Legends of the Galactic Hero's?
Are we still pretending to be high society intellectual or are we just pretending?

Does anybody here actually read textbooks or is this thread just about who posts the coolest text books?

>>16688137
not me tho
>>16679676
>>16683999

>>16688112
>not calling it by Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu
yes we are just pretending at this point

>>16688197
did you watch it already

>>16688233
yeah man, turns out i had watched it sometime they put it on TV
can't remember the plot at all but i remember the main spoiler so kinda pointless to rewatch it ig

>>16688137
It's about who posts the coolest textbooks

>>16688681
based

>>16688681
lol weiner

>>16671253
But we should still be smart and informed on technology while opposing mass surveillance and social media brain rot.
Technology is neither good or bad, the goal to is create civilization that maximizes the health and happiness of its inhabitants.

Pic related is the greatest competitive programmer in the world, he spend his childhood playing football limiting his screen time to a few hours a day.

Just got here.
Bumpers

>>16688137
I do read them but i don't dare to talk about them or recommend them because people ignore it anyway and if they don't they are like "but its shit, you should read $textbook instead :D"

Where do people go to acquire textbooks these days?

>>16697311
libgen

>>16697323
Other than libgen, anna's archive, and zlib? I'm looking for Multivariable Calculus 12ed by Larson and Edwards and AA has a one page pdf of something in chinese that's not the book, zlib listing was taken down probably for not being the book, libgen only has 9ed.

>>16697324
why exactly do you need 12th edition?

>>16697326
It's assigned for a class. I'm not taking the class but I'm looking as a favor for someone else.

I already found a site that claims to sell it for $17 so it's more a matter of pride at this point to find it for free.

>>16695387
Fuck off tourist

>>16666400 (OP)
dragon book is over
we're crafting interpreters now

>>16697311
libgen or the bookstore - many colleges are switching to a new textbook scheme where all students are charged a flat annual rate and textbooks are just purchased for them based on their registration. I’ve seen the numbers on some of the schools that have adopted it and the average cost per student over a degree ends up being about the same, but it’s much simpler for the students since they’re not having to parse through multiple suppliers or versions, they just show up to the bookstore, swipe their student ID and get a package with all their textbooks for the semester.

>>16685737
True

>>16666400 (OP)
I’m entering my 3rd year of Physics, and am looking for a solid vector calculus textbook to cover before I take Jackson E&M in the fall. I’ve taken a first course in linear algebra, calculus 1-3, and ODEs. In the fall I will be taking a course in PDEs, and our textbook is Basic PDEs by Bleecker.

What are some good Vector Calc textbooks that lean towards the applied side?

>>16697751
Div, Grad, Curl, there's a pdf online and a solutions manual online,

>>16697761
That book is too trivial. I want something more rigorous with a plethora of difficult problems.

>>16697764
if you want more rigor you need to go learn to write proofs, then you can read up on the exterior derivative and wedge product, but i can't imagine thats anywhere within the scope of the classes of an undergrad physics major.

>>16697764
Amann Escher's Analysis III or Zorich's Analysis II

>>16666400 (OP)
You put Haruhi next to this buulshit? Your Jahannam reservation is pending

>>16666400 (OP)
>The art of war
What's everyone's favorite part of that book? Mine is the intro when he kills the prostitutes.

>>16697327
why do undergrads care that much about the differences in the lists of exercises? it's not as if professors will solve them for you, or even care if you are doing them. you are not in high school anymore

>>16673627
People going into 'research' take official courses and don't need self-study book lists.

>>16685720
I wonder the same, some teachers (specially some teachers who learned through mir books) say that they are good.

anything computer related is not science

>>16672561

>'Don't forget to be hooman'
>forget mentioning this author

>>16666400 (OP)
i misclicked on this board and saw this

i read like 5 of these at uni and i can barely remember any of it
reading is a scam

>>16703917
Skill Issue

>>16703917
the 5 are fight club, steins gate, lain, the prince and art of war btw

>>16703940
Steins;Gate was so trash, I hated that anime.

>>16704455
read the ps3 visual novel

>>16666400 (OP)
>A bunch of tech books
>"Anti Tech Revolution"
This is stupid even on a meme level. You can't be against tech while using tech and learning about tech.

>>16704463
"you can't be against society if you live in it"

>>16704526
If you read Kaczynski, you'd knew that his point is basically whenever you participate in math or technology you make the world a shittier place than before. So to recommend Kaczynski book with a bunch of tech and math books is oxymoron.

>>16704553
how are you going to combat technological progress without knowing how it works?
quoting from the art of war:
>if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles

>>16704561
If you're going to use technology to combat technology, in the end you'll be the antagonist with the technology. It's impossible to "combat" technological progress anyway, as long as capitalism exists, and let's not forget that Kaczynsky was a retarded schizo murderer. Suggesting his ramblings for scientific inclined people is stupid. Even if there will be a mass extinction event, wiping out half the population of earth and somehow destroying all the technological progress since the industrial revolution, as long as, for example, Github Arctic Vault, or Svalbard Global Seed Vault, or Arctic World Archive, exists, the humanity will recreate the AI and smartphones and the Internet soon enough. There is nothing to "combat", it's either an infantile or moronic thought.

>>16704650
>let's not forget that Kaczynsky was a retarded schizo murderer
ad hominem much?
kys.

>>16704887
>HOW DARE YOU TO OFFEND MY MEMELORD NOOO
I bet real money you also think Terry Davis was some sort of a genius just because he wrote a compiler and a OS (an undergraduate level pet projects). Stop being gullible.

>>16704941
ok and what have you done?

>>16704650
Capitalism isn't synonymous with technological progress. Many things have been purchased to never see the light of day again to maintain the status quo. One could argue that the capitalist influences governments through lobbying and other means, and is also generating red tape around superior technologies. Let me put it in terms you can understand:
An inferior intelligence, such as yourself, stamps out progress through censoring the superior intelligentsia, me. Reddit is a publicly traded company, and is therefor capitalist in nature. Technological progress is literally being shunted for ONIONS.

>>16704941
kys insufferable retard.

>>16681162

Listfag here again. Lots of univ use Stewart in Cal I -and even II in some cases-. As I wrote before, the list is merely orientative, nothing strict.

The fancy-schmancy books not only serve as introduction, but to improve the whole experience through a friendly approach, not only based on collections of problems where formulas are applied to be solved.


Also, this:
>>16681958

bump

>>16685735
because of the big brain theory of the electric universe

anon, you're missing a third star in argentina's footie emblem

>>16687077
>Season 3
Its been like 15 years anon, we have to move on.

>>16666400 (OP)
Im a poorfag working his whole life without a lot of time for books.
If I read "The Prince" and understood it perfectly, will I understand everything else here?
Will it improve my life in any way?

>>16708868
You're better off reading The Art of Worldly Wisdom