Undergrads report in, does this actually happen?

Part of me feels sorry for you, you broccoli heads don’t deserve this

>>16692713 (OP)
they're fucking liars, is what they are. they've actually bought in to their lies so much they lie to themselves
>be me
>give online exam
>logs show student copy/pasted chatgpt output
>i confront them
>they refuse to admit it
>they appeal, saying i'm out to target them
>complain to my chair, my dean
>they both laugh with me in private
>student leaves Ai-written course evaluation slamming my pedagogical techniques, and that i lied about them using Ai to punish them because they're a commuter
>proceeds to leave angry RMP review (kek)
all i know is that now i'm going scorched earth on these motherfuckers instead of showing mercy. every time i catch these pricks cheating i'm going to appeal to the maximum penalty i can, and request they get expelled.

>>16692716
>REEEEEEEEE
Or just demand that they retake the test in class or on a live stream with test taking software?

>>16692713 (OP)
Lab reports to be written outside of class time are obsolete.

No kid in the current year or ever after will be learning how to write critically. It's over

>>16692751
they're not learning to write at all. 20% of the incoming freshmen i had last year wrote essays that indicated to me they were illiterate. more precisely, they had a 4th grade writing level. their essays looked like they were all AI, so i forced them to write in blue books for a pop quiz. it was awful.

Here's one really simple way to fix this: just require the snapshots. It's really that simple, just make it mandatory you turn in time stamped snapshots of the essay, lab report, etc. in order to get the grade.

I am such a horrid obscenly stubborn cunt that I refused, fucking refused to cheat a single time in High School. Everyone else did and tried to help me cheat but I refused. I had a code lmfao. I took 2 years of summer school for remedial math and ideally should have failed them both but the summer school teachers pass you if you try hard.
I graduated roughly 330 ish out of 350 ish. School was a waking hell for me, but fuck cheating. I would only be cheating myself and to myself the lie would be.
I still can't memorize a formula to save my life.

>>16692716
based
>>16692750
mad you got caught faggot xd
>>16692811
easily cheatable
>>16692797
>i forced them to write in blue books for a pop quiz
yes this is the way forward, professors and teacehrs are actually going to have to put in work instead of just assuming kids arent going to cheat

It's unfair to send people to grad school in 2025. It's such a scam.

>>16692713 (OP)
AI detection tools are such a farce. Even if you do use AI, it takes just about as much effort to rewrite the basic format of the output as it does to generate the shit in the first place. Kids are retarded and don't know how to rephrase, so they get caught. What a shame.

>>16692954
I'll say that I used gen-AI for gen eds and would have used it for the 100- and 200-level busywork courses in my major (physics and math) but I was like >>16692837 until I realized that none of the administrative hoop-jumping slop actually mattered beyond acting as an academic hygiene check

>>16692716
It's amazing how deep of a hole students will dig themselves into. I caught a student posting an assignment on Chegg last Fall (they literally had their name on the top of the page in the photo they submitted), I explained this to them and they STILL insisted on taking it all the way to the dean and demanding an official disciplinary hearing (which they lost, obviously) because they assumed I was bluffing I guess.

>>16692981
Jesus, I hope the dean spanked their ass

>>16692982
I was originally just giving them a 0 on the assignment and a warning not to do it again. Dean elevated it to an F for the class (partly for wasting everyone's fucking time with a formal hearing) and put them on academic probation.

>>16692716
>they're fucking liars
Source: It was revealed to me in a dream.

>>16692716
>>16692981

They've been getting away with lies since they were children. They've never experienced consequences for lying. It's become habit and their only skill. Doubling down is the only thing they can even think of doing. They cannot fathom consequences or other minds seeing through obvious deception. They've had a lifetime of stupid people that either fell for it, or didn't care enough to do something about it. Either way, they've convinced themselves it's all their own brilliance.

>>16692981
Is it possible a classmate was sabotaging them? University is so cutthroat these days, if you wanted to hurt a guy you don't like, a strategy like this would work wouldn't it?

>>16692811
It's the hypens. I used to write with lots of hyphens and it got me flagged. Prof just sat with me and made me explain the report. Obviously passed and actually got an A grade lol. But I changed my writing style after that - stopped writing like this.

>>16692954
I suspect a large amount are getting flagged because they use AI to grammar correct their words.

>>16692713 (OP)
Wasn't there an experiment where they put some old essays into an AI detector and the detector flagged a small number of essays as AI generated even though these were written last century?

>>16692713 (OP)
the boomers weren't ready for computers, and AI is going to break what's left of their brains
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cUR4up6EBLA

>>16692954
>AI detection tools are such a farce
This is exactly why you use screen recording software to prove you did it

>>16693521
>screen record
>manually type out what chatgpt gave you from a different device
won't work as proof.

>>16692716
>give online exam
Yah, don't do that dumbass.

>>16693580
This. Even if you've got a large class, try to stick to paper assignments as much as possible. It can be frustrating for instructors (as well as students), especially when you've got an oversized course and you've got to grade a few hundred exams by hand, but in-class, on-paper exams are still the best option for reducing and catching cheating.

>>16692713 (OP)
Aren't these "AI" checkers dependent on LLM bullshit in the first place?

>>16692713 (OP)
>Undergrads report in, does this actually happen?
Yes it happens, it hasn't happened to me. I checked out some online university group to see if I should try finishing my second degree there, but it seems A LOT of people were having problems because their graders use some retarded niggerlicious AI "detection" software on the homework. It's fucking retarded, they have to come up with typos to make the software reduce the AI score.

>>16692921
>>16692716
>mad you got caught faggot xd
You're all out of touch retards who haven't every tried the AI detection tool. Just try it, any shit you give it will cry "AI" because they are scams made by pajeet that the gullible most retarded teachears believe without proof. Sounds like you're just trying to shill that nigger tier software.

>>16693876
Does this happen at normal schools like MIT, Stanford, and the Ivies? Or it is just a circle jerk of mediocre students and mediocre teachers. I can't imagine reading more than a few paragraphs into a paper without immediately knowing if it were AI slop or not.

>>16693804
Last time I checked someone put some bible verses there and it came out positive for AI

>>16693898
Probably because it detects an exact match for an existing text. It's for testing self-written text.

>>16692716
>>16693022
>>16692981
>muh integrity for dumb destructive fields
It's not like anything coming out from the industrialized world is truly benefiting either earth or mankind. Kys, oversocialized pompous holier-than-thou pricks. Some people only go into specific majors for job security, not because they actually like the field.
I've been cheating most of my way through a BS and MS of Computer Science, and I don't value it at all. I only did it for job opportunities and because my dad later pushed me. Humorously, I got a biology BS previously and never cheated it that because I actually found it valuable, and I still read some biology books and textbooks during my free time.

>>16693896
I'm talking mediocre teachers. I don't know about elito schools desu

No problem, just change it so your entire grade is determined by in-person tests with adequate measures taken to ensure no unapproved tech is used. Homework assignments still exist but are only for practice and don't affect your grade so there's no point to bother cheating.

>>16692713 (OP)
TA here
the AI% on turnitin is often bullshit, I used to run plots comparing the distribution of AI% across different detectors and never found a clear enough cut-off for a binomial AI/no AI decision point.
Instead, it's easier to force all you retards to have locked track changes with a hard password-locked template word doc. Imminently reduced the number of bullshit citations, but fucking copilot on personal machines threw a wrench in that. Now it's labeled confidential and has to be opened by student accounts with no copilot access in 365.

Fuck you, this is equity.

>>16694029
you aren't allotted enough time in a lab to have them write their reports or conduct research
I remember in middle school where there were similar concerns around copying, and we'd have to write our essays by-hand with whatever notes we made printed out beforehand, and I wish I could be based enough to force that on my students.
Forcing them to track every revision at least keeps them afraid of copy/pasting and encourages paraphrasing/proofreading as they should for a report. I'd have no problem with AI if they at least read the text and typed out their own interpretation of it.
>>16693896
"Tier 1" research unis, pretty much anywhere where premeds go
>>16693521
this
>>16693539
The problem is of a different nature than that, it's the lack of effort to demonstrate understanding. I'd gladly give someone typing out the chatGPT work verbatim a 50 like the other inattentive retards, but ctrl+v is a zero.
>>16692981
Every semester, like clockwork, one person thinks they can get away with it by escalating.

>>16692713 (OP)
Never had it happen to me.
What I figure is happening is that the guy copied or reworded some parts from content that was a part of the AI’s training set.

AI is more or less useless at writing lab reports anyways. Believe me, I’ve tried.

>t. Just graduated with a chemistry degree

>>16692713 (OP)
Different "AI detectors" give hilariously different results. It's all bullshit.

>>16693968
You're not going to be able to hold down a job.

>>16694056
>you aren't allotted enough time in a lab to have them write their reports or conduct research
It’s only going to get worse - every department I have colleagues at has admins pushing for shorter labs and shorter semesters. This year admin told us we had to reduce labs from three hours to two, and that they’re cutting our semester to fourteen weeks. I already barely have enough time to get students through experiments or through all the material I want to get them through in a semeater. It’s gonna be a fucking disaster.

>>16694294
Good way to sneakily cut your hours, dumb down expectations and force you to teach fluffy geneds that administration should be teaching instead.

>>16694294
We got an extra week with allegedly cut time (although I haven't seen next semester's schedule), but it's used to split the first week down, and it cuts into the final. Which I then need to eat into and give them the same length of time as the first essay. It also means the lab final is the same week as the lecture finals. Real bullshit, not enough time to do the important experiments, assignments due at the most rushed time AFTER the break when it should be due.
>>16694304
I get paid the same since it's by the number of classes (with a set # of TAs) but if they make me take on another lab because they can stack more lectures I'll be pissed. This is already the state required senior filter class that everyone hates, and adding more to the review load will just make the students pissed at the lack of feedback.

>>16694304
I don't give a fuck about hours, I care about content - admin already forced our department to change our curriculum from four intro physics courses to three, which means every remaining class had to cram in about a third of a semester's worth of extra content last year. I covered about two dozen chapters in 16 weeks in our modified Physics 3 course and it was a disaster. Now we're being told to do it in 14.

>>16692713 (OP)
i already started recording myself write papers. Profs a fucker if he accuses me of using sora or some shit