This isn't even about climate change but rather that advanced human civilisation is based on these finite resources.
Even ignoring energy these are needed to manufacture certain materials like plastics.

How do I not feel pessimistic that the advanced technological civilisation we have won't just irreversibly collapse once fossil fuels run out?

I'm thinking societal collapse, followed by more fossil fuels (there will be some left), followed by nuclear.

>>16699861
there's only so much uranium.

>>16699844 (OP)
>How do I not feel pessimistic that the advanced technological civilisation we have won't just irreversibly collapse once fossil fuels run out?

IT will collapse. This is why Ted was right. Everything else is cope. Sure let's pretend renewables will work perfectly in like 20 years on their own(they won't). We still need fossil fuels and limited resources for a bilion other things.

We cannot sustain so many people on earth. We should count ourselves lucky because we might just manage to make it in our lifetime with only small modifications to lifestyle. Our children will watch the oncoming collapse and many will not survive it.

>>16699888
>>16699894
There's a shitload of uranium and lithium in the ocean. This can be used to fuel fission and fusion (and renewables through batteries, although lithium batteries are not the best for every use case though). I don't think a global collapse is inevitable, but I do agree that the global population should be significantly smaller.

>>16699844 (OP)
>How do I not feel pessimistic that the advanced technological civilisation we have won't just irreversibly collapse once fossil fuels run out?
You should absolutely feel pessimistic. 99% of the population is irretrievably stupid. Whatever MSNBC or the BBC says is gospel to them.
They have zero critical reasoning skills. If the TV says one day that there's such a thing as a "female penis," they just instantly go with it. They don't question it at all.
The TV has told these morons that "green energy" is the future, and they repeat it like parrots while still using plastic and gasoline. They've never seriously looked at the facts, never done the math, will violently attack anyone who offers them the truth, and each one of them is given exactly as many votes as you are.
Their votes are purchased easily by indulging their animal desires--legalize their perversions and their intoxicants, give them "free" stuff that isn't really free, and they will keep you in power while civilization decays.
And I'm not talking entirely about the left. Most of the right would screech like the tofu-toddlers if you took away their booze or the Ponzi scheme called social security.
This whole world is absolutely going to collapse. It's just going to take a while.

>>16699894
1. renewables do work, currently
1.2 there's countries where 70%+ of energy comes from renewables
2. the output is cheaper energy for the whole country
3. protects the country agains international faggotry like
>now you can't but cheap gas from russia
>buy it from the US at ridiculous price
>.etc
I don't see the downsides, sounds like you're leaving in al alternative reality 2bh

>>16699920
>there's countries where 70%+ of energy comes from renewables
You mean mudhut countries?

>>16699921
no, first world countries actually

>Renewables do work; the TV says so.
If renewables fucking worked, the petroleum industry would have covered every square inch of this entire country with solar panels and wind turbines twenty years ago to sell us the electricity: they have a LOT of land.
They aren't committed to oil; they are committed to making money. Apparently solar and wind don't actually make any money, and it sure as fuck isn't because energy has no monetary value. Electricity is expensive, but making PVs and turbines costs about as much as you ever make back off them.

>>16699844 (OP)
we don't. we solve the fermi paradox. but whatever satisfaction we may find in discovering the solution, it will most probably be greatly diminished by the experience of living (?) thru it.

>>16699923
Oh you are talking about them achieving 70% of base load for one hour in one day a year. Fake and gay-pilled.

>>16699844 (OP)
All of not just life but physical mass as we know it is based on finite lack of energy equilibrium. Post heath death universe will just be a soup of radiation and elemental particles, and given it will remain like this forever, this ordered universe we live in is an infinitely small fraction of it. I say enjoy burning shit while burning and shit are still a thing.

>>16699920
Enjoy blackouts and mineral shortages and a crysis when there is no sun and wind which happens in Germany every year. Also whe talking about renewables omit hydroenergy. Everyone knows hydro works great and that is not contested.

>>16699951
no, I'm talking about paying less for electricity due to less megacorp oil and gas consumption for energy, it's not rocket surgery

>>16699968
nah, I'm enjoying the cheap electricity due to less dependency on gas and petrol megacorp mafias, seethe though

The CCP is unironically going to solve that problem
So they can pack it as a gesture alongside Belt & Road to gain influence in the developing world
>But what if Global warming reaches critical mass before then?
That isn't Xi or Dengs problems
They get to laugh while building ocean walls, so do the West, the rest don't

>>16699844 (OP)
You're not asking the right question.
The population is going to surge in India and Africa, and those people will give absolutely zero fucks about the environment or where their energy comes from.

Oil needs to be around but we have the technology to replace its most wasteful uses with electricity (you don't need gasoline for 20 mile drive to supermarket). Coal can be substituted with natural gas, and natural gas can work in conjunction with wind and solar so we don't need to run it 24/7 to keep the lights on. Heat pumps can substitute for natural gas heating in homes.

Beyond that we would probably need carbon capture and nuclear power but doing those first would be the easiest and buy a lot of time.

>>16700296
And if you are worried about hydrocarbons running out, don't be. There are several centuries of coal left to manufacture substitute oil&gas from if the reserves of those don't *keep expanding*. Beyond that, hopefully we invent nuclear fusion or space solar or something so we have the energy to get it from CO2 or something.

>>16699844 (OP)
Solar and batteries

Coal phased out completely. Hydro, nuclear, geothermal, tidal, wind, solar, all pulling their weight for energy production. Biofuels for emergency use and to cover gaps. Saltwater gravity batteries everywhere we can fit them.

You want to worry about something, worry about fresh water access. We need a shitton more desalination and to stop farming certain crops and animals. Also golf needs to stop.

>>16700658
Water scarcity is a localized issue.

>>16699917
Global energy demand=6×10^20 J/year≈1.66×10^14 kWh/year
Solar energy received per unit area=1366W/m2
Panel efficiency=22%
Energy collected per unit area=300.52 W/m2≈ 300 Wh/m2
Collection duration= 5 hours/day
Collected energy per unit time per unit area=1.5kWh/m2•day
In an year=547.5 kWh/m2•year
Area required=304474.88 Km
As a % of total area = 0.204%
Did the math retard. Also, nice projection of saying that others don't have critical reasoning and bashing media houses that kill your ignorance.

>>16700678
>media houses kill your ignorance

>>16699844 (OP)
The sun produces 650,000 times more energy a second than the Earth consumes in a year. Any actually advanced civilization learns to fully harvest the power of its star.