Spaceflight Edition

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first for landflight

>>16700949 (OP)
this is the cooler, non-fiction /sfg/, and also the first one (the other one ends in 950)

>>16700949 (OP)
>Spaceflight Edition
No starships allowed edition?

Would you be okay with a trip to space if the rocket has 50% of exploding on takeoff?

>SpaceX rocket explodes in Starbase, Texas, USA

>>16701517
More like Elon fraud

>>16701517

>>16701596
what the fuck is wrong with thunderfoot. why did he become like this?

>>16701616
YouTube revenue is a hell of a drug.
I'm curious if Musk actually made those promises or not. He's know for making exaggerated time line claims so it wouldn't surprise me if it were true but I also don't trust Phil to not engage in clickbaiting.

>>16701624
Everyone knows Elon is a drug addicted, narcissistic liar. That said, I still don't see how that's fuel for criticism of SpaceXs development path.

>>16700949 (OP)
Why did the private space industry experiment fail?

Raptor 3

Over

Musk brothers... My vacation was interrupted by the unfortunate headline. Two more months or was this not hardware for the next flight?

>>16701596
I am now a thunderfoot convert. I bow to his superipr intellect.

>>16701517
Fucking embarrassing. I never expected the starshit program to be run this badly, and I hated Elon way before all the oversocialized liberals did.

I can't take Elon seriously longer after the last few months, he has to go.

Having analysed the video, this looks like another classic case of the front falling off

Reddit is laughing at us....

V2 sure loves to blow up

>mfw starship is a bigger program management shitshow thab SLS

OH NO NO NO!!!!!

SAARSHIT EXPLODED AGAIN!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

china won

>>16701624
>I'm curious if Musk actually made those promises or not
In 2011 he claimed manned Mars mission by 2022.
In 2014 he claimed unmanned Mars sample return mission by 2021.
In 2016 he claimed unmanned Mars landing withour return by 2018.
This is just scratching the surface, you can look it up yourself and find interviews from over a decade ago with him claiming man on Mars by now.
The same was true of Tesla with "self driving solved" by 2016.

"ElonTime" was a meme for a reason.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Elon_time

>>16701969
I remember him saying in 2017 I think too, when he had that big starship presentation reveal with the CGI promo videos, he said Starship would land on Mars by 2024.

Also, just last month he gave an interview in which he claimed there was a 50% chance of Starship landing on Mars in 2025 or 2026. The guy is just a complete and total liar, there's no reason to ever take any of his timelines seriously.

>>16701628
How much are youtube paying you tho?

>>16701976
It's just hype to drive up his share prices and gain VC for unlisted companies. In the case of Tesla it's worked so well that with people selling off and little hope for the future their current marketcap is still ~90x Renault's who sell about the same number of units.

>>16701969
>check who created it
>guy who is editing various labor unions, canadian unions, union works
How are these "people" so predictable?

>>16701984
Source on who coined it?

>>16701982
Well SpaceX is supposedly worth more than Tesla or is considered to be despite still being a private company.
That woman Cathie Wood, who is always hyping up Elon's companies now claims spacex is going to be worth over 2.5 trillion in a few years lol.

They're all in on Mars is going to have a "colony" by 2030 and Elon is going to send a bunch of his "optimus robots" to do all the heavy lifting, even though these things are completely unproven and the few tests they have shown is just the robots being controlled by some intern in VR goggles.

>>16701982
>sells same number of units
Renault is French Gov owned company and it will never make it to US because US gov doesnt allow government owned companies to compete against private companies

>>16701994
Lol, United Launch Alliance is estimated to be worth between $2b and $4b. The Falcon 9 is a great MLV and I think it's reasonable to give SpaceX 10x for that bringing them to $20b to $40b.

>>16701998
And? They still sell the same number of units.

How…in the actual fuck…are we still having exploding Starships this far down development?

This is some fuckery I would expect from Falcon 1's development, not S36's. Actually somehow even more embarrassing than losing 3 ships to the same reason in a row

>>16702006
>same number of units
irrelevant. Renault sells cheap $12K cars backed by the government ownership. They're basically producing cheap Chinese junks. Tesla produces high end, high tech cars. Their profit margin is next to nothing, thats why its a government owned company meant to keep population at bay rather than produce anything that can compete.

>MFW waking up this morning
/sfg/ literally can not catch a W

Hey PEElon did your STARSHIT make it to ORBIT yet?

>>16702019
Go away "Adrian", you're not getting the EV credit back into the budget.

>>16702031
Facts scare your commie shit

>stop browsing sfg for a few months
>come back
>Honda is beating spacex

>>16702019
>US hates state ownership
>loves free markets
>Ford and GMC are both made in Mexico now because the profit motive chases the lowest wages
You can either have neoliberalism and globalism or socialism and nationalism, choose wisely.

>>16702043
Actually socialists are pushing globalism too. We have new admin because of globalism.

>>16702056
>Actually socialists are pushing globalism too
I know claps get confused about political terms so what socialists do you think are pushing for globalism?

>>16702061
Did you just wake up from coma?

You can generally add 10 years to any claim Musk makes.
>>16702009
Starship is both the largest rocket ever built of and the only one to attempt full reuse. Of course its going to take a lot of trial and error to get it functional.

>>16702062
I have seen so many retards call the Democrats socialist even after they stole the primary from a socialist I like to make sure we have the same definitions to make conversation possible.

>>16702066
Playing games doesnt make you smart, it makes you stupid.

>>16702076
So you can't define socialism or point to socialists in power?

Space flight enthusiasts shouldn't have a big problem with socialism, no one is escaping LEO without major government funding
(but on a macro level you could argue socialist aligning policies are bad for GDP, and you need a massive GDP for the government to afford space)

>>16702090
>you need a massive GDP for the government to afford space
You need a lot of government income, you could have a relatively small GDP but afford massive governmnet spending via nationalized resource extraction.

>>16701596
>cost to the US taxpayer of ~$1bn
Meanwhile, essential services are being chainsawed out of existence .

>>16702090
You need a state capable of directing ressources, this isn't correlated to socialism unless you think 40s-60s usa was socialist.

>>16702151
>unless you think 40s-60s usa was socialist
>50% corporate tax rate
>90% top income tax rate
>new deal massive government spending
>state ownership of projects like Hoover Dam
It was classical liberalism aka socialist / capitalist mixed market economy.
Can you imagine telling people today the government is going to spend tax dollars to build a powerplant that will be state owned?

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1935660973827952675

S36's demise was caused by a COPV rather than an issue with the ship itself.

>>16702181
Didn't this happen for falcon 9 too?

How do Starship stans cope?

>>16702185
The one with Zuck's satellite that blew up on ghe ground?

>>16702225
Perchance?

Tory if you can hear us, please save us Tory

>>16702181
ULA sniper confirmed.

GRIM

Artemis III 2035 target date confirmed

>>16702334
>speed
>quality

Pick one. Fucking retards cheering on SpaceX rushing shit as if they haven't ever heard of the term "cutting corners" before and what that means in an industry where shit tends to explode.

Soooo SN36 just f*cking epxloded

>>16701596
but the cybertruck is the best-selling EV truck in the world. is he saying that starship is a resounding success with controversial aesthetics?

>>16701596
I mean he's not wrong

Now what

>>16702352
>Tinderfoot
>not wrong

Development screenshots of KSA

Kino incoming

>>16702385

The latest explosion is not an engineering issue but a legal issue. We need to prosecute those SpaceX employees who conspired to sabotage the program.

>>16701969
Let us not forget the 2020 roadster with the SpaceX rocket kit

>>16702385
>KSA
The kingdom of saudi arabia?

>>16702006
>United Launch Alliance is estimated to be worth between $2b and $4b
Damn. I'd have expected them to be worth at least 50 bil

>>16702385
>>16702418
I want to see them working on some original planets/moons. The atmospherics look nice but the placeholder geometry/textures they're using are kinda low resolution and only look good from high orbit distances.

>>16702334
Bros, do not lie to me, is a lunch in 2 weeks still happening or not?

>>16701761
>>16701547
Feel free to start your own space company and do it right

>>16701596
Elonsisters...

>>16702477
Fuck that. Give me a fully simulated solar system and in an orbital flight simulator with decent close up details and immersive graphics, maybe add on base building, and that'd be my dream game for life.

>>16702352
It takes 0 brain to say "it cant be done, its wrong"

Pathway towards defeat is the easiest to accept since you have to do nothing. Pathway towards success requires the largest effort.

>>16702065
For the kind of things he promises more like half a century
>>16701994
She learned to lie so easily from elon

>>16702527

>>16702527
If he delivers, then he must be worshipped more so than a God. He's printed 6 million Teslas and 10+ million Starlinks already. So there's atleast 2X God like

EMERGENCY CHECK IN

FOR ME? ITS SO OVER

>>16702352
yes he is, starship failure do not cost taxpayer money
he's just a whore hating musk to keep hater's money flowing pic related

>>16702181
>nitrogen COPE

>>16702458
this, the timing is off

>>16702543
I hate women I am a genuine threat to society )In Minecraft)

>>16701969
Yes, I am well aware of Elon's past lies, which is why I mentioned them in the post you responded to. I was asking specifically if he made the promise of twenty-five Starship flights this year. The person who said Musk did is also known for making exaggerated or false statements so I was asking if anyone knew for sure if liar Musk made the lies that liar Phil claims he did.

>New Glenn delayed forever
>Starship still can't escape Earth
New Space huh

God I love the Starship program, there's nothin else like it. In a world of egghead faggots, be a retard

spacex was a flash in the plan

Kill carbon fiber. Fret carbon fiber. Roundhouse kick carbon fiber into the ocean

The damage to the SpaceX Massey test stand. The pad structure is destroyed.

Soooooo when is launch?

>>16702851
2 weeks

>>16702857
I'm going to go watch the new 28 days movie and get involved in some video games

>>16702857
ok but seriously

Apologize

On June 26 at 1pm ET, we are static test firing the Booster Obsolescence and Life Extension solid rocket motor – the largest segmented solid rocket booster ever built.

>>16702892
>test results are in, yup! It's obsolete!

>>16702492
Well the problem is that they are using real data for their placeholder terrain, which has a limited resolution. It's good enough for testing and even looks good from a distance, but when you get to low orbit or closer it starts to look very "muddy"

SPEHS

>>16702181
Starship will now equip an additional 30 tons of nitrogen onboard for more fire suppressant.

>>16702881

> Wants to make a rocket out of a uranium Slurpee

Take his car keys away. He's drunk.

So the Elevator Pitch is, "Final Destination at SpaceX"

Local observatories and colleges are also doing watch events, if you want to go out and hit on space chicks.

Place looks like Jabba the Hutt's Palace.

it really is a shame that trump survived the assassination attempt

>>16702842

Is the Blue Lander waiting for the next New Glenn?

I know I'll be the first to say it, but I think it's actually over now.

I wish communists were so secretive about their space programs.
My nation has Starshit and SLS (which needs New Glenn) so nothing but embarrassment there.
The ESA is a sad, pathetic joke.
India and Russia are paper tigers.
And everyone else only does Earth based infrastructure, which isn't Space flight.

>>16702955
They're trying too hard to make this seem like no big deal, which only makes it seem like a bigger deal than earlier assumed.

>>16700984
For Elon to tire himself out on.

>>16703023
That's the Apu of Grim Seriousness
He's not underplaying it at all.

>>16702950

>>16703023
Remind Elon he's 53 years old

>>16703048
Elon is two years younger than my dad and my dad still has plenty of time left. R-right?

>>16703050
1/5 of American men are dead by the time they turn 60

>>16703051
That's because many of them are fat as shit to a degree that makes even Elon look reasonable.

>>16702916
Looks good to me

>>16703050
Could be. My dad is 88 and he's fine. He has a mild heart condition that is managed with medication but otherwise ok

Factoid from the prior /sfg/:

> SpaceX has delivered more than 2 kilotons of payload to orbit in the past 365 days

So, 2000 tons. To put that in perspective, 200 tons gets you one of the 1960s nuclear engine flyby missions like Empire. 20 tons gives you an orbiter or lander pretty much anywhere in the solar system out to Pluto.

Why aren't we doing this just buying a wagon full of F9 launches?

>>16703063
That's the moon. We have high resolution maps of its entire surface. We don't have those for every planet and moon in the solar system; most maps aren't complete, and they're all at differing resolutions.

>>16703063
That close the surface it has switched to textures that aren't derived from real photos, or at least not photos taken from space, so the texture resolution is higher. I assume they're also using tessellation or something to give the terrain mesh a little more detail up close.

From low orbit or flying a good distance above the surface it still uses the real data and the resolution isn't high enough.
Pic related you can see the surface texture looks quite low resolution. Even the terrain mesh is lacking detail.

Again, it's not a technical problem or anything, they're just using placeholder assets while they work on the more important backend/mechanical stuff.
I'm eager to see how good their engine can look when they give it proper assets. With both Linx and Blackrack working on it I'm pretty optimistic.

>>16701982
>their current marketcap is still ~90x Renault's who sell about the same number of units.
>nigger with no concept of the future
Of course.
>>16702043
>>US hates state ownership
>>loves free markets
>actually believes this
Of course.
Now get back to the rest of /sci/.

>just got word from my spacex contact
well i hope you boys weren't expecting mars 2026

What will muricans do when Elon gets uncovered as yet another "monorail man"?

>>16703075
> 2 kilotons
Did you mean 2 thousand tons? Do you know what a kiloton refers to?

>>16703075
Because the government and the rest of the industry haven't caught up with the capability that F9 offers. Half the reason Starlink exists is to give that rocket something to do.

>>16703139

> Hah! I'll show I've read the term "kiloton" referring to explosive yield measured in an equivalent amount of TNT. Everyone on my internet home will be so impressed!

Tard. "Kiloton" can be a 1000 tons of anything. That's how the metric system works. Now stop trying so hard to fit in.

i can't believe spacex has launched 2000 kilotons to space, what a time to be alive

Isn't a metric ton just an aborted name for a megagram?

>>16703159
Isn't two weeks just 1.2 megaseconds?

One day there's going to be a station that actually has a cubic kilometer of volume and that'll be rad

>>16701985
How can you actually not even understand what >>16701984 meant with 'created it'? Like are you an actual fucking AI bot who fails to use the most basic common sense to interpret a prompt?

>>16703160
No because seconds are an imperial unit.

>>16702043
Why can't I just forbid the companies from manufacturing in Mehico what they sell in the US but keep the rest of capitalism?

>>16703077
>>16703087
So then do that with the rest of the planetary surfaces. We might not have a high-res map of Sputnik Plains or a 3D heightmap of the Mariner Valley, but we can easily make up a decent interpretation of such terrain features, the former being a nitrogen ice plain with convection circles and the latter being a giant canyon system.

>>16703087
Also, you posted an old screenshot. Mars looks better now.

>>16703167
That's what tariffs are for

>>16703063
hell

Fucking Elon fanboys lol. This is a good wake up call for them. I have no idea why people are so eager to believe his lies. Even experienced engineers and journalists blindly eat his bullshit up. Reality is surviving re-entry is insanely hard and space agencies have been working for decades on the problem without much progress. You're rubbing up on the very limits of physics here, it's not so much an engineering problem as it is a material science problem. We already had this issue with the space shuttle, meant to be a lot cheaper and reusable, but the challenges of surviving re-entry turned it into a expensive, over complicated and dangerous launch system.

There's a reason why Starship is the one that keep failing, not Superheavy. Starship has a lot of finicky engineering compromises meant to save mass to allow for the heat tiles and help it survive re-entry. To the point where it can't even properly make orbit to test said heat tiles out. It's a really hard problem and I could easily see SpaceX spent a decade trying to make it work. There's a good chance that they might never make it work, they're not God, just because they had great successes in the past doesn't mean that they will magically succeed in everything that they do.

Even if they make it work, it's 100% gonna to be a lot more expensive, have less payload, more prone to failure and alot less impressive than what Elon has promised at the start. Just like the space shuttle. $100/kg to LEO, daily launches, 72 hours turn around time, point to point transport, thousands of people to Mars by the 2030s. It's insane that people blindly believe the shit that he says. When you're working on cutting edge tech like this, nobody knows what the final product is like, but people somehow think that it's already a guarantee that what everything Elon has said is magically gonna to be true

>>16703205
Pic related but on Mars.

>>16703205
based

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>>16700950
>>16700950
>>16700950

>>16703220
Stop reposting your terrible take. What is the logic here? You spent five minutes googling numbers so you think this has some actual value? Everyone has told you several times that the point made in the post is completely nonsensical and you completely ignored their posts. You are mentally ill

>>16703205
Accidentally posted in the newfag trap first, huh?

>>16703069
But your boomer dad (likely) had the easiest possible life. Minimal effort exerted handed white boomers nice things with no stress. They enjoyed a textbook childhood and young adult life, being taught the correct values without vices, no uppity minorities, women and fags, cash flow in excess via a secure and easy job, plus an obedient wife at home to do the chores, provide sex and loyal support without any of the absolute shit modern women have.
Lifespans on easy mode with extra cheat codes is going to yield an average 90+ age in this era, where boomers get all the best care in spite of others.
No hate for your dad, its just that he had been dealt four aces and basically cannot lose.

>>16703243
He was born in 1937 in Yugoslavia and escaped by illegally crossing the border in 1959. His father was killed in action in 1943, and from age 12 he had to make a little extra money for his family by working at the brickworks in the city
You can try that textbook childhood if you like

>>16703050
Elon is a high stress drug addict with a head and neck injury who doesn't sleep

>>16703247
kek owned

>>16703247
So, he is an outlier on the Gaussian distribution curve of boomer feel-good stories. Good for him, I hope he persists until a ripe old age, as he appeared to live a noble life of hard work and overcoming adversity. Typical book/movie protagonist stuff, have you considered selling this gem to Hollywood? We can cheer for that, as it is wholesome.
My post was merely highlighting that a super majority of boomers had easy lives of entitlement, everyone was expected to be upper-middle class and successful, the system allowed it. Not so today, given the additional disadvantages and pitfalls that the past 40 years forced into our once functional society. The system is really stacked against people of average ability now.
>>16703250
absolute faggot, ladies and gentlemen

>>16703259
You wrote an irrelevant paragraph long seethe post in response to a discussion about Elon's potential death date and when you got totally owned you decided to do it a second time kek

The NSF still produces groundbreaking discoveries in astronomy.

https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/star-quakes-and-monster-shock-waves

Cutting public funding to pure science research is a profound mistake. It puts us on the edge of technological development and is of national strategic importance.

Fighting endless wars of genocide for zionist Jews is not of national strategic importance. We could be investing those resources into our nation.

Including public education, infrastructure development, and scientific research. A corrupt subversion of the national interest is holding us back from greatness, and the 20th century shows us clearly what we are capable of.

>>16703263
okay you win, the whole point of the slav guy's post was to say men with super hard lives can still live to be really old, meaning Elon will surely do the same thing!
You were right, I was wrong. I will leave

It... blew up again?

>>16703267
you are black gorilla nigger

>>16703264

We should not be entrusting the destiny of our nation into a genocidal regime of war profiteers and charlatans.

>>16703264
And how does this help me?

this is the worst /sfg/ in weeks

was vanguard really that bad? i'm sure that if they persevered and fixed the first stage, it could've become a scout-like lv, just launching small things into orbit for decades

>>16703270
I am the niggest!
I stand in awe that you just proved that a stressful life, fraught with risk is NOT an indicator of lifespan. Just look at that 88 year old slav, all the proof I need. Illegal border crossings and a lifetime of old school, high risk brickwork without safety gear is clearly the way to go.
Elon's risk taking and stress is going to make him live super long!

>>16703235
>1000 replies

>>16703278
lmao

>>16703273
Don't worry, it will get worse.

>>16703273
worst week so far

>>16703273
is there a really active space community that has genuinely meaningful discussions but are not xitter, reddit or nsf?

>>16703287
Yes, facebook.

>>16703278
Anon I was just trying to give you confidence that your own 55 yr old dad still has plenty of time left, which he probably does

>>16703287
Unironically here.

Remember Elon’s melty?

>>16703287
discord

>>16703287
This is as good as it gets. No, I don't like it either.

>>16703295
I like my natal genitals just fine, thanks

>>16703293
which one?

ELON ELON ELON ELON ELON

Explain, without sounding mad, how Starship isn't just the American N1.

>>16703312
Because one is a stupid design failed by shitty leadership that was doomed to never ever work no matter what, and the other one is N1

>>16703307
That time when he told Twitter devs to tweak the algorithm because Biden got more engagement than him during the Superbowl

>>16703307
Christmas day H1B flip out and calling the Don a pedo with tears in his eyes come to mind

BOLE status?

>>16703312
its already done 9000x better than the N1

>>16703312
Engine out capability (proven)

>>16703326
6/26, America tests the world's most poweful ENGINE

>>16703334
Yeah it can do ‘engine out’ pretty well

the program is going backwards, next starship will fail in production

>>16703346
>next starship will fail in production
That happened multiple times in the past.
t. knower

>>16703348
and it'll happen again
then the stainless steel rolls will start rusting somehow

>>16703348
very few of us know about the design flaw(s)

The next next starship has already failed even before it left the drawing board

>>16703350
Their major design flaw was hiring incompetent spics without proper supervision.

>>16703350
>Muh unfixable low fuel design flaw
Uh huh.

ELON BAD
STARSHIP BAD
BAD BAD BAD
ELON BAD
ELON ELON ELON BAD

>25 launches in 2025

>>16703360
Uhm actually it did more launches. Each time it had an observation it turned into 1000s of Starships.

>>16703360
kek

>>16703312
Different shape

>>16703273
I need to Krystalpost more

>>16701969
those were never claims, they were comments like "if everything goes perfectly I think we have a shot at x in year y"

there are actually quite few times when Elon has said something very definitely

>>16701994
>Well SpaceX is supposedly worth more than Tesla
not at all
$350bil vs ~$1T
future valuation estimates are not the same as the current market capitalization

>>16703369
That's just fucking dumb. You might as well say shit like "if my tiny tech start up company cracks AGI because we magically stumbled on the correct code for it, we will be worth a trillion dollars by next year". The whole "if everything goes perfectly" is bullshit.

>>16703369
Why does Elon work with news outlets that quote him wrong regularly?
The Soviets never claimed the N1 would leave Earth so really how can we say they failed?

>>16703375
no it means if there are no unforseen delays then the thing might happen i.e. there are a bunch of qualifiers
and you retards take it as a promise

>>16701596
>cost to taxpayer: $1bn
What did he mean by this

>>16702527
robotaxi soft launch is on sunday

>>16703363
Elon Musk also launched a bunch of starships in his pants

>>16702090
or you could have a money printer like starlink, which will soon generate more revenue per year than NASAs yearly budget

>>16703375
How else do you make plans and decisions in a low information scenario?

SpaceX is definitely fucking shit up, but they're still generations ahead of everyone else. Both are true.

Unironic CCP shill here. Looks like China is likely going to catch up and surpass SpaceX soon if the Starship program is facing so many setbacks. China is 6 months-1 year away from half a dozen F9 clones of their own. There's a good chance that said Chinese F9 clones will be better than the current F9, considering that they are designed from the ground up to be reusable, with some rockets using methane that will allow for easier reuse, some rockets having the thrust-weight ratio and throttling capability to actually hover land instead of needing to do a suicide burn and some of the F9 clones skipping legs and instead using a tower/tether catch system. And of course, once the reusable rockets are there, mass production of the satellites won't be a issue. There's also lots and lots of new launchpads under construction right now. Best part is that there's a dozen companies all in the race, rather than the entire industry being monopolized by a single company. I fully expect Chinese launch capability to more than double within a year as all the private companies finally have their maiden launch and chinese payload to LEO to rapidly catch up to SpaceX within 2-5 years.

Starship was the program meant to keep American spaceflight 10 years ahead of China, even if they have a working F9 clone. But as it is, looks like SpaceX's moat is disappearing. I think that by the time that Starship finally has it's kinks worked out, the LM-9 and private sector Starship clone won't be too far behind.

>>16703380
its just their EDS talking. they can't deal with anything to do with evil elon reasonably.

>>16702873
probably two months

>>16703389
>rather than the entire industry being monopolized by a single company.
lets not pretend that all of those are not under the complete control of the Party. you're amongst friends after all.

>>16703380
...so Starship has failed to meet the "forseen" timeline. It seems like you just described abject failure in more words.

>>16703393
please see >>16703390

>>16703387
>>16703380
Fucking retards. Space is the one industry where delays are the norm. Bad weather can scrub launches for days. The literal motions of the heavens can delays missions for years. It's hard to think of a single industry where delays are more common and just part of the job. Going "if everything goes perfectly well in an industry where delays are the norm" is just taking the piss and on purpose.

It's like trying to start a large farm in the middle of the sahara desert and expecting things to go well, because you never know, if things goes perfectly, there will be enough rain to sustain a farm even in the driest place on earth. It's not impossible.

Imagine going back years in the past and telling people that SLS would go around the moon before Starship could even do one orbit around Earth. What the fuck happened?

>>16703389
Not reading all that, maybe die?

I just don't recall the Saturn I blowing up and failing to go to orbit for several years. I just don't recall "door stuck" being a problem for literally any other rocket in human history?

only two to go
how will they die?

>>16703400

...so is it God with EDS I mean he's the one who wrote it so Starship has never left Earth, I'm just pointing out that fact.

>>16703399
i dont recall it being such a big deal that i had to post about it all day every day on an anonymous dog milking forum.

>>16703376
because they are disingenuous and have an agenda
is this a serious question?

>>16703403
>ambitious corporate goal-speak fails to materialize
im shocked

>>16703405
Why does Elon work with people who are "disengnous and pushing an agenda" is he disengnous and pushing and agenda? Are you literate, I asked "Why does Musk work with them" not "Why do they do what they do".

>>16703393
there are uncontrollable things that will delay the program usually, but Musk gives figures that have an about 50% chance to become true (by his own estimation)
giving a very lax timeline just means the engineers will then fill up that time and then it will get delayed from that lax timeline anyway, so doing it this way is much better

delayed, but still much better from a timeline perspective when you look at the absolute time
the downside is that faggots like you and people that hate Musk for one reason or another then use those optimistic estimates as a way to attack him
but its worth it if you get better results faster

>>16703395
so what?

>>16703396
how long are we talking about here? Isn't SLS like a 25 year old program at this point
lmao

>>16703392
SpaceX and Elon is still under the control of the US government. Don't pretend otherwise.

Anyway, the point is competition help drive prices down, encourage innovation and diversity of designs. And also, so if monopoly company starts to goes tits up, it doesn't drag the entire sector down with it

>>16703407
elon does not work with news outlets much, so you are being disingenuous
and in any case, if he wants to get the message out there more widely then accepting some distortion is what you get
he did buy X but a lot of people still just get the news in their bubbles through watching tv or instagram/tiktok, whatever

>>16703410
So it's bullshit corporate speak that he knows is wrong. It's basically of wishful thinking on the same level as "if everyone just decided to not do crime, we could end all crime in a single day"

>>16701860
why are parrots so autistic

>>16703411
>SpaceX and Elon is still under the control of the US government. Don't pretend otherwise.
Not like in china buddy. theres no private business there above the level of the local corner store. im not making this up because ive been there and wealthy chinese business owners have explained it to me. quite a bit of freedom for the low levels, decreasing amounts as you go up and the Party is interested. Its a different game over there. I do agree with you though and the chinks have realized this (finally) which is why they aren't still starving their people to death.

>>16703415
well yeah, perhaps not as extreme
but the things he says do happen and even before schedule, the haters just ignore them of course

>>16703408
>there are uncontrollable things that will delay the program usually
Such as repeatedly failing to go to Space and the door failing to open, and engines failing to relight while in Space?
Again why didn't these problems plauge the R7 families or the Saturn family with such frequency. What only one out of ten Starship actually performed a landing all the other ones failed to launch or failed to deorbit correctly.

>>16701860
i voz aiming vor zee stars!

I don't think it's supposed to look like that

>>16703422

>>16703418
He makes hundreds of claims, of course some of them are going to be right.

>>16703420
You're retarded

>>16703421
Imagine if he was still with us. He’d be running starbase like peenemunde

>>16703425
Yeah for example any time he claimed Starship would out perform the R7 in tonnage to LEO he was wrong.

>>16703196
?

Time to admit that reusable upper stages are not possible.

>>16703429
if only.

>>16703422
>>16703424
Seems like a reliable enough material. We should make a submersible out of it and send it to the crushing depths of the North Atlantic

>>16703434
Just make COPVs that aren't made out of black spaghetti. The fix really isn't that complicated

>>16703424
>Made in the USA

I see the problem

>>16703405
>>16703410
>>16703414
stop unconcerned trolling

>>16703424
>WARNING! Do not fill if damage has caused strand unraveling
I bet that's what happened

Any particular reason "rapidly reusable rockets" still make their nitrogen tanks out of carbon fiber in the year of our lord 2025?

In other news, the ZQ-3 has just completed it's static fire test. We're looking at an August/September/October launch. It might actually be the first chinese F9 clone to launch if they manage to launch it in August, with the other rockets following suit afterwards.

>>16703063
Does NASA/SpaceX have a planned vehicle for the moon?

Don't say Cybertruck, serious answers only.

>>16703445
its not rapidly reusable yet, it was still a test article

>>16703448
not-Cybertruck

>>16703449
They had all the time in the world to find/build an alternate COPV design

massive leak from Artemis insider...

>>16703453
its about priorization

>>16703456
Was not blowing up Masseys not on this list of priorities?

>>16703457
starting work on some new untested technology would have probably meant things blowing up more often, not less

>>16703448
whatever it is, it will have a nice Army style acronym

>>16703448

>>16703455
Who?
I'm guessing that since you conveniently cropped out the name it's spaceguy5

>>16703448
Cybertruck unironically.

>>16703455
ELON ELON ELON ELON ELON

>>16703466
Cybertruck was ruined for me once I realized the "rims" are just cheap plastic aerodynamic covers and that the real rims are just basic and ugly as fuck

>>16703472
Aluminium frame is also quite pathetic

>>16703434
It stops pushing the bounds of materials science past a certain physical size. If a country wanted to treat the problem like America treated the moon landing, it could be done at our level of technology and industrial capacity. Something with several hundred raptor engines fueled up with a few days worth of the country's natural gas output could survive reentry with bare steel.

>>16703475
I like the fact that the "hitch" is attached to it, meaning you can rip the entire ass of the cybertruck right off if you want

>>16703472
>>16703475
All of the problems like this make sense when you understand the target market (which it was successful with). There's a type of upper middle class larper that purchases a brand new model of the same truck every couple of years to use as a daily driver between their suburb house and their so nothing job. They don't buy it to haul anything, they don't build anything or go off a paved road, they just want a vehicle that's big and harsh and violent. Hence why cybertuck was a hit despite fundamental flaws. You aren't engineering a tool, you're marketing to a market.

>>16703434
ahem

>>16703480
The Shuttle was a failure though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFIlta1GkiE

>>16703479
That's cringe though because a lot of people want a cybertruck, and for it to be able to do truck things without breaking, just not the majority

Shartship program is over. This is now a pro-New Glenn general, and it has been and forever will be.

>>16703483
>just not the majority
>do a ton of extra work to make it a real vehicle
>the people that actually need a truck buy an ICE engine anyway
>now you've spent a bunch of extra money to please 10 people
learn business

>>16703485
>you will buy my slop and you will be happy
No thanks

>>16703487
It's not for you or me. I have a little Ford Ranger and it's all I need for my 5 acres. It's for larping faggots. And they bought it!

>>16703480
Based

>>16703455
Legitimately can't find this post, seems to be a shop

>>16700949 (OP)
3 days until the First Look of the Vera Rubin Observatory.

>>16703312
Without sounding mad tell us how Starship is an American N1.

>>16703172
You could, but it's not as fun to explore and you can't create novel planetary systems tailored around gameplay challenges.
Like how Minmus gives players an early game very low-G playground, or how Laythe gives advanced players an opportunity to use jet engines on another planet.

Modders will make the new RSS for those that want it.

>>16703501
whole buncha engines

>>16703205
>surviving re-entry is insanely hard and space agencies have been working for decades on the problem without much progress
The only issue here is that Elon is a fag who thinks we have to come back down after we go up. We shouldn't be re-entering the gravity well after we've left it.

>>16703481
the whole idea was a failure from the beginning but what they made worked pretty well. still the only vehicle to both launch and collect satellites.

>>16703455
SG5 will also still insist Raptor is a failure

>>16703483
Dropping a truck on its hitch (and then trying to hide that you did it until being called out" is not "truck things".

>>16703480
one on the left looks like an Estes rocket i had once.

COPVs, what is their function in starship?

>>16703395

> Weather!

The frigid June snows of South Texas made Starship's Nitrogen explosion suppression system explode.

>>16703538
to contain pressure

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1936090865900175476

wtf

>>16703547
Sushko is as unreliable as they come. No surprise Musk is tweeting him.

Left: no ozone scattering
Right: with ozone scattering

>>16703547
Spaceflight?

>>16703557
sergio gor is responsible for Jared Isaacman getting the boot

>>16703547
maybe the COPV should thicken too

>>16703556
its like having a polarizing filter on your camera or not

>>16703538
Copeving

https://spacenews.com/esa-signs-agreement-for-potential-use-of-orbital-reef/
>ESA announced at the Paris Air Show June 18 that it signed a memorandum of understanding with Thales Alenia Space and Blue Origin to study flying European payloads, and possibly astronauts, to the Orbital Reef commercial space station proposed by Blue Origin.
>A year ago, ESA signed an agreement with Vast, another company planning commercial stations, to study potential use of those stations by the agency.
>

Neuenschwander emphasized that ESA preferred to work with CLDs where European companies are partners. “I would like to see a strong European industry presence” in those stations, he said. “The European Space Agency will support the projects which have a strong European share into it.”

>>16703570
Fail greentext just end it atp

So this is China's answer to F9? I hope it goes well. One, I just like seeing more successful rockets, especially reusable. And two, China's blooming private spaceflight industry might finally make the west wake up.

>>16703570
So BO basically got the same thing Vast did, only Orbital Reef will never exist and Haven-1 will.

>>16703583
its over

>>16703547
>linkedin post shows up on google
>but not on linkedin itself
>or in his website, krebsonsecurity.com
did Krebs delete the post? makes me wonder why...

>>16703584
agreed. the more the merrier and a bit of a race might stir up some pride

>>16702385
damn saudis have a space program now?

>>16703584
Who would it wake up? The people that exported manufacturing to them in the first place? The people that hate the west as a platform? The people who don't care what happens outside of a sandbox? The people that aren't capable of doing anything with whatever money may be sent their way? Even then, Elon has permanently poisoned spaceflight in the minds of half the country.
I wish as much as you that there's a Sputnik moment on the horizon, but normalfags do not understand the implication of Falcon 9 or a copy like they did a visible bit of Soviet hardware crossing above their yard.

>>16703538
There are a number of different pressure vessels on Starship and there placement and purpose are not entirely fixed. However I believe the principle COPV's under the chines on the side of Superheavy are to pressurise the methalox header tanks.

When on the ground the main tanks are pressurized from the Ground Support Equipment. Whilst in flight tank pressurization is maintained autogenously (pressurized oxygen gas and pressurized methane gas are tapped from their respective turbopumps and fed back into their respective tanks to ensure that the tanks remain at the appropriate pressure as propellant is depleted.

But after engine cut off autogenous pressurisation is no longer available, so when Superheavy needs to relight its engines for the boost back burn and the landing burn the header tanks have to be pressurized from the COPV cylinders.

Due to the problems experienced with the previous Starship landings involving pressurization and engine anomalies SpaceX have been experimenting with variations on pressurization system and these are not usually made public.

So it is possible that COPV helium may also be used for some pressurisation purposes in the main and/or header tanks during some operations on some Starships. The exact current status is unclear to me at the moment, but the goal is to eventually move to entirely autogenously pressurised tanks with the COPV being re-pressurized when the engines are running ready for the next engine start up.

>>16703538
The main purpose of the COPVs is to provide high-pressure helium to spin start the turbo pumps in flight.

The 20 Raptor Boost engines on the outside ring can only be started on the ground. They all have their own individual little quick-disconnect which supplies the high-pressure helium to spin start the turbo pumps.

The 10 Raptor Center engines in the middle ring can only be started on the ground. They might receive high-pressure helium through the main quick-disconnect or through the 20 outer quick-disconnects. I don't think that is publicly known at this point.

The 3 Raptor Center engines in the center cluster are started on the ground using high-pressure helium supplied by the ground service equipment. But they also need to be started in flight for the landing burn, and in that case, they receive their high-pressure helium from the COPVs.

The COPVs might be used for other purposes as well, but I don't that is publicly known at this point. On Falcon 9, the COPVs contain helium for spin-starting the turbo pumps (just like Starship) but also for tank pressurization, as well as nitrogen for the cold-gas thrusters. However, Starship uses autogenous pressurization and ullage thrusters, so it has no need for either.

Note that Elon Musk mentioned in one interview that being able to put the COPVs inside the chines is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it is a nice way to put them outside the tanks without any negative aerodynamic effects. On the other hand, the fact they are so conveniently hidden reduces the incentive to get rid of COPVs. Musk believes there are too many COPVs on Super Heavy, and when they were just hanging off the side of the booster (before chines were added to the design), they were immediately visible and I would say pretty ugly, which was a nice incentive to remove some of them.

>>16703547
>One of the most powerful men in the Trump administration, tasked with vetting thousands of staffers, hasn’t been fully vetted himself, The Post has learned.
>Gor was born on November 30, 1986,[8] allegedly in Cospicua, Malta, though the Maltese government could not confirm his birthplace.
lmao
This administration is fully compromised
>>16703558
*Sergey Goryachev

>>16703312
Superheavy (The part that actually resembles N1) has flown multiple times without exploding, and even landing back

wtf it's over
https://x.com/NASA_Orion/status/1936129031121871215

>>16703616
I expect CNN, the New York Times, and other usual suspect media outlets with "integrity" to pick up this story and run with it. Why not? They lie about everything else, and a Russian spy in Trump's inner circle is something they have been trying to fabricate for a decade.

>>16703613
>>16703614
i endorse this content. thanks anon, seems legit

>>16703634

Last one exploded while trying to return for a splash down.

NB4 "That doesn't count!"

>>16703538

In Elonville? Probably a Nitrous tank so the workers could huff on their breaks.

>>16703644
you seem like a negative kind of person. seems like you want to always find the bad things and then focus on them. Do you find thats the case in your general day to day personal interactions?

>>16703389
>Unironic CCP shill here. Looks like China is likely going to catch up and surpass SpaceX
And the entire post was bait.

>>16703635
Why did they even have accounts for everything, few I can understand, but not accounts for every single thing.

>>16703479
This. I wish they had made an actual truck, but I can't say Cybertruck was a failure. It's a dedicated pavement princess. It's a bad truck but a good product.

>>16703613
>>16703614
I honestly don't get why we aren't pressurizing off of boil off alone.

IDK how much energy it would take, but a heating element of some type would cause localized boiling and generate pressure

https://spacenews.com/pentagon-struggles-to-build-unified-satellite-network/

Its over

>>16703636
NY Post is reporting it. CNN/NYT and others have no real journalists anymore. They;'re just propagandists that just lie about every single thing.

>>16703447
I doubt it's gonna launch in Q3 because reportedly that stage in Jiuquan is only a test article and the 1st flight article is still undergoing final integration. By the look of it seems roughly where the test article was in March, so probably Q4 launch.

>>16703672
chinks are the ultimate development by iteration program. they really dont give a fuck what happens to whatever they launch and will just keep on trying. EDS patients are silent.

>>16703644
how many times did N1 fly?

>>16702298
once is happenstance
twice is cohencidence

>>16702930
it got shot lol
20mm HEI, at a guess
they'll never find it

>>16703644
N1 never made it to stage seperation.

The last Booster to fly, on its second flight mind you, successfully delivered its upper stage and was deliberately destroyed in testing a high AoA reentry.

So again we ask you, in what way is Starship similar to N1?

/sfg/ has known about the ULA snipers the entire time.

>>16703688
They took a break for a while there. They respected Block 1.

>>16703658
>It's a bad truck but a good product.
well said

>>16703694
>>16703658
That's just the thing, the target market for an F-150 isn't going to buy an EV truck as the existing market suffers from bad options and consumer ignorance (of course a trucks massive battery is going to take days to charge if you try to use a generic 120 outlet).

>>16703658
what would make it a better truck?
towing range and lower price?

>>16703707
Start with figuring out what people buy trucks for and you will understand why Cybertrucks were not aimed at the F-150/Silverado/Tundra crowd.

I’m team China now

>>16703714
what are the things it lacks? you seem to know so why not spell it out

>>16703716
stop concern trolling. cyber truck is the perfect vehicle.

>>16703717
you keep doing this faggy shit with "you should know why x is like this"
no, I don't know, because its not true
spell it out or shut up

>>16703716
I'm trying to see if you have the slightest grasp of the subject or are just a drooling retard demanding to be told what to think.

https://x.com/LabPadre/status/1936168510687727715
>Around 41 hours since Ship 36's anomaly, a crane is now on the move in the static fire pad, signaling the first major move of equipment since the event, and the first sign of SpaceX personel being allowed back onto the site.

things are happening at Masseys

>>16700949 (OP)
Apparently there will be a lot meteors going to LEO and Earth if YR4 will hit the Moon, and destroy possibly some satellites and giving us nice visuals by meteors burning up in the atmosphere. Guess from who I know that?

>>16703718
That wasn't even me you fucking schizo
Do you literally think there's one other person in this thread besides you? You did this the other day too

>>16703722
the range is fine for everyday driving if you have a house to charge (otherwise its less convenient like EVs in general), the payload capacity and towing weight are comparable to F150, the space is comparable
the only thing that are actual issues is perhaps the higher price and if you want to tow heavy loads for long distances
am I wrong?

This little guy is so based it’s unreal

>>16703729
based on what?

>>16703687

What was the booster flight profile supposed to be? As it supposed to immediately blast into a fireball when the main descent burn started?

> Well -- urmmn -- uhhh....

Yeah. Thought so.

>>16703684

> Desperately trying to deflect by bring up a 60 year old rocket.

We can see the Elon fan girls sweating as they dance.

>>16703730
Based on actually accomplishing mission objectives in a few short years instead of constantly exploding

>>16703729
that engine is huge

>>16703738
Big balls need big bells

>>16703738
It wasn’t even needed but it’s tuff and mogs commies

>>16703732
The Boosters flight profile was to deliver Ship to stage sep and then conduct an experimental high AoA reentry with no catch attempt being made because there was a high probability of the Booster not surviving the test.

Now again, in what way is Starship similar to N1.

>>16703738
It's vacuum optimized, how big do you think it should be?

>>16703756
at least several women sized

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J__BgH0_NAo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNMlzECjxlc
>Starship 36 Exploded - What does this Mean for the Program? - The Flame Trench

>>16703763

>>16703756
Yeah but both the CSM and the Orion/ESM use the same engine, just different types. Apollo CSM had an oversized one. Artemis is using old Shuttle OMS aj10's which are way smaller but do the same thing as the Apollo CSM engine

its fucking fucked big time

Anyone have before photos for reference?

>>16703747

> Now he's just straight up lying

The profile was to end with a soft water splash down. It wasn't supposed to blow up.

Now stop telling fibs.

https://x.com/mcrs987/status/1935871382652404220
>Raptor #524 completely shredded to bits

>>16703781
here is one angle >>16702712

>>16703772
https://x.com/interstellargw/status/1935871243179180497

higher resolution (instead of screenshot from stream)

>>16703784

"How did Raptor 524 do? To shreds you say."

>>16703783
My sweet summer child, why was the Booster landing in the water instead of being caught?

lol

>>16703787

Ah -- but think of all the data they got.

https://x.com/interstellargw/status/1936068098609529183

https://x.com/interstellargw/status/1936144247847043242

>>16703790

Because SpaceX didn't trust a second catch on the booster. Which was their one wise choice since -- it blew up.

so are we getting isaacman back as the nasa admin or not?

https://x.com/interstellargw/status/1936152257940385927
>Crime scene cleanup with Raptor guts at the bottom of the Massey’s…

>>16703791

>>16703798
I doubt it
this Gor story seems kind of speculative and even if he was kicked out, I don't think Trump would change his mind at this point
seems like loyalty is basically the number one priority (by a long shot)

>>16702842
I never understood this reusable launch pad thing.

could a rocket with a TWR of <1 at liftoff make it to orbit?
we basically take it for granted that orbital rockets are launched pointing straight up, with few notable exceptions like the lambda4s and pegasus. but in theory you could have a rocket launch at an extreme horizontal angle, gain altitude slowly, and not have a thrust to weight ratio above one until late into the flight.

>>16700949 (OP)
New Glenn.

>>16703729
i love it. its beautiful and always was

>>16703796
Vaporizers actually vaporized!
This place is right fucked.

>>16703809
CSI nigger said that one was probably pierced by shrapnel and subsequently burned and melted
so not directly burned by the ships, but a secondary fire
the pics they looked through had some small fires still burning as well

"Aye -- that'll do Pig. That'll do."

>>16703805
>not have a thrust to weight ratio above one until late into the flight.
You don't need TWR > 1 late in the flight actually.
The closer you get to orbital speed the less effective gravitational acceleration you experience, this is why gravitational pull is weaker on the equator from earth's rotation so it's not full one g all the way until you hit orbital speed and then it suddenly transitions straight to 0.
For example when you are at 80% of orbital velocity, you only experience 36% of normal gravitational pull, the rest is canceled by your fraction of orbital speed which can be also described as fictional centrifugal force so your TWR only need to be higher than 0.36

>>16703804

It's an indefensible detour -- at least for Starship. They need to develop a version with legs for landing on the Moon and Mars. And any nominal cost savings on variations like Tanker that don't necessarily have to land, get eaten up with building and servicing multiple versions. And those additional towers.

It's a plan Elon came up with while blowing weed.

>>16703584
>So this is China's answer to F9
More like one out of more than a dozen.

>>16703812
>Ey ese, what happened to my ship, homes?

>>16703797
And why didn't they trust the Booster for a second catch after doing a never done before high AoA reentry?

>>16703812
>my bandana is following CDC guidelines!!
The pandemic had people acting like retards and history will not look kindly on photos such as these

>>16703828
tesla stock literally 10x'd over the course of 2020 at the same time spacex enabled the first american rocket to launch astronauts since the shuttle.
not following CDC guidelines over heckin masks is probably something literally only you have thought about in response to that pic

Mars in 2026!

>>16703584
Yeah I think this one is the frontrunner, probably the most competent 'private' company over there.

>>16703833
SF in late august/early september, Flight 10 an S38 cryo in mid september, Flight 11 (may or may not be orbit/catch) in october, First suborbital v3 in November, First orbital v3 in December/January, trust the plan.

>>16703538
Flight termination system

>>16703828
>CDC guidelines
faggot detected

>>16703538
To hold the nitrogen needed to prevent explosions

When is Blue Lander going to space? Do we know if there are two New Glenns in development, or is Jeff actually trying to, after his first successful reuse, put the most important payload of his life back on a used New Glenn?

>>16703852
>When is Blue Lander going to space
NET December
>Do we know if there are two New Glenns in development
Three new glenn are in production and supposed to be completed this year.
2nd will be for Escapade
3rd will be for a rideshare
4th will be for Blue Moon MK1
Per berger however there will only be 1 more NG flight this year.

>>16703852
2 weeks

>>16703859
Blue Lander mk. 1 was supposed to leave a month and a half from now. Why is all of western space flight in perpetual schedule slip.

>>16703538

The Air Hockey Table in the Passenger Lounge.

Starship will burn down pad 39A in the near future. Total loss. Screencap this

>>16703878
that reminds me i saw that spacex is getting another vandenberg pad just for falcon. why arent they getting one for starship instead?

"Owabi Moushi Agemasu."

*blink*

>>16703894
Very dishonorable

Mars Sample Return: Decisive Chinese Victory

Pretty impressive. 500 grams. Mostly surface but also samples from a 2 meter drill. And a whirlybird to boot.

Anyone have access to the paper thru their institution?

Chinese MSR my Beloved!

>>16703424
>copv not manufactured by spacex
so are they going to respond to it in the same way as the F9 RUD from a bad strut, and start making their own?

>>16703424
Starship isn't reusable until the COPVs are out.

>>16703652
probably that let them justify more hires in the office of social media engagement

>>16703908
NASA paid this woman to do about half a dozen Instagram posts with her posing near NASA facilities. They don't care how much money they waste.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEmEw5ltenQ&t=1533

>>16703901
wait, where's the robot that drops sample capsules all over the place and the second robot that drives around to pick them up later?
are you telling me thats not necessary?

>>16703921

And the flying robots to collect those sample capsules and fly them to the second rover.

NASA plan for Man on Mars*

*in time for the Apollo 11 Centennial in 2069.

>>16703903
I hope they give us footage of the MAV test soon. This shit happened during the winter looking at the landscape..

>>16703936

The Chinese Moon sample returns have given them a lot of practice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmMhOhVMwDQ

>>16703928
>two decades timeline
we sleep

>>16701860
>>16703416
He is literally me

>>16703614
>The 10 Raptor Center engines in the middle ring can only be started on the ground.
but the 10 center engines also relight for the boostback and the beginning of the landing burn

>>16703584
is china's private spaceflight industry as much of a ponzi as their EV industry?

>>16703651
The F9 is the main rocket carrying 97% of SpaceX's payload to LEO. In a year, China is gonna to have half a dozen F9 clones, some of which; on paper, are even better than the F9. In another year, some of them are gonna land and be reused, and another year for them to reach the launch rate of the F9. So by 2027-2028, you'll see China catch up to SpaceX in terms of launches and payload to LEO. China also has enough launchpads under construction to support lots of launches. Starship was meant to keep SpaceX another decade ahead of the chinese F9 clones, but we're seeing that Starship development timeline has been optimistic at best.

If anything, the sheer amount of F9 clones just means that the difficult part is finding enough shit for them to launch.

it's over

>>16703989
Kind of? But not really. There's only 2-3 companies I can think that are probably straight up scams, and some really badly performing ones, but most of them offer an actual legit service, most of them are already launching regular payloads for paying customers. Also, most of the investors are shit like banks and local governments, organizations that you don't want to scam if you don't want to be blackbagged.

The issue is that there's just too many of them, a dozen companies, when a single one achieving the launch rate of SpaceX; can completely take over the chinese launch market. And the chinese state agencies aren't gonna to roll over and die, they also have their own F9 clones. There's really only space for like 2-3 private companies I think, so lots have to die and be consolidated. But that's standard for Chinese companies, lots and lots of competition.

There's two ways I can see for more than a handful chinese private start ups to survive, is if they start attracting international customers, the large European market/Oneweb and the growing launch needs of the global south. Unlikely due to China's reputation and ITAR restrictions

The other way is for China to open up her deep deep pockets. Not in the form of subsidies, but lots and lots of projects, and spreading them out evenly among the companies. In additional to a satellite internet mega-constellation, I can easily see China also wanting a 50 thousand strong mega-constellation of radar/optical recon sats for 24/7 surveillance of every square meter of earth, their own version of Golden dome, thousands of orbiting data-centers, and maybe even exotic shit like space based solar power. Of course, is China willing to spent the hundreds of billions needed for this projects?

>>16703416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL9dgR0S73o

>>16703833
Just static fire the rocket on the way up on launch day.

more ksa

>>16704030
it looks better than space engine

>>16704031

Too many mishaps conveniently stacking up since Musk started meddling with the government, and this one a mere week or so after humiliating Trump. He's been tipped to fail.

>>16703707
Smaller, bigger bed, stronger frame. That's basically it.

First valves, now COPVs, I hate rockets so much its unreal

>>16703992
>on paper
Rest of the post could be discarded and nothing would change.

>>16704058
>Having an decade to improve on the design on the F9,
>being able to design the rocket from the ground up to be reusable instead having to evolve a rocket to be reusable from an initial expendable version
>Being able to use methane
>Ditching landing legs in favor of tether catch system.

Not all of them will be better of course, but that's the advantage of having a dozen different designs, one of them is gonna work out even if the others are duds. The most important factor is also the fact that some of this chinese companies are gonna to be hard at work improving their F9 clones over time, compared to SpaceX which has dedicated all their resources towards Starship. Most chinese companies won't be developing something like Starship and will be focused on optimizing F9 clones for the next decade.

Don't forget about Russia:
Using aluminum-magnesium alloy 1580 is much cheaper than aluminum-lithium from SpaceX for Falcon 9 launch vehicles. However, domestic products made from alloy 1580 are larger and heavier than those produced by Elon Musk’s office.
A non-trivial engineering solution seems to be the use of welding parts of tanks using the friction stir method. The technology makes it possible not to melt the welded surfaces to a liquid state, which is why there are practically no weld defects after cooling. All equipment for such a delicate engineering process was developed at the domestic JSC Cheboksary Enterprise Sespel.
The main advantage of the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle is the greater mass of payload delivered into orbit than that of its main competitor, the Falcon 9. According to calculations, by about 10-15 percent. At the same time, the cost of launching the rocket should remain the same - 55-56 million dollars, which is lower than the Falcon 9 with its 62 million, even in the version with a returnable first stage. By the way, within the framework of the Soyuz-5 topic, the authors are considering the possibility of returning the first stage to Earth and reusing it. There are no problems with engines in this sense - they are initially reusable. They plan to carry out a soft descent using parachutes. If everything goes according to plan, then Russia could take over some of SpaceX’s customers, especially from friendly countries

>>16703921
To be fair the samples percy drops are backup ones just in case something happens to the main ones it keeps.

>>16704081
Call me in ten years when it's done Mr. ESL.

>>16703859
>Per berger however there will only be 1 more NG flight this year
fucking kek that's pathetic

>>16703992
>The F9 is the main rocket carrying 97% of SpaceX's payload to LEO.
So what rocket carries the remaining 3% of SpaceX's payload to LEO? Inquiring minds want to know.

>>16704116
The other 3% is all the crap shooting off Starship reaching orbital speeds.

>>16704116
FH's rare launches.
Starship has not delivered anything to LEO.

>>16703570
>human presence
Such fucktarded woke language.
As opposed to Martian presence? Tyranid presence?

why didnt the japs just put a lidar on a jig on the side that makes it always point straight down?

>>16704135
Why didn't they just build a lander that works lmao

>>16703746
>tuff
I like this new zoomer word

>>16704155
wtf

>>16704141
no but really how hard is it to make an altimeter that's always able to provide accurate information so you don't go in completely blind for 90% of the descent?

>>16704037
Soon there will be a full F9 failure

>>16704163
F9 is an ultra polished robust design, has a lot of help from AFRL and NASA.
Starship is a product they mostly did on their own.

>>16704130
>FH's rare launches
so rare I keep forgetting that it exists
>Starship has not delivered anything
rent free, I didn't mention it, you did

>>167041711
>rent free, I didn't mention it, you did
NTA but are you fucking retarded? You were talking about SpaceX, and the other anon mentioned Starship. Maybe you are too stupid to know, but Starship is made by SpaceX

>>16704160
"Tuff" is like "tough" and "cool" at the same time

>>16704197
thats very gay

>>16704194
>can't even quote properly
go back tourist

>being tough and cool is gay
new low for /sfg/ - self fellating gays

>>16704199
It's tuff

>>16704205
sounds something like a roadman would say

Apollo command module is tuff

>>16704199
It's actually a funny word

Who's excited about space flight?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cptQGqX0pC4

New Adrian Dittman

>>16704238
>Who's excited about space flight?
I'm not excited about carnival rides on sounding rockets.

>>16704169
I miss stainless steel Starship

>>16704239
>I fucking love space!

>>16704239
I fucking hate indians so fucking much

>>16704081
I doubt Russia could take any SpaceX customers even if they had a cheaper offering. They now operate in separate markets due to politics.

>>16703815
Very nice pic
Saved

>>16703815
Isn't DBA also working on a 5m diameter Nebula-2 in 2026-2027? Maybe it's too early to count it before they've flown Nebula-1

>>16704287
>in 2026-2027?
*planned for first launch in 2026-2027

>>16703815
There's also Astronstone (宇石空间) AS-1, NET 2027H1
I'm not sure exactly how serious they are as a company
They've made a few ground test articles

>>16704257
This but without the soijak and greentext

>>16704296
>Astronstone
Do chinks just throw together vaguely English sounding stuff and go with it?

>>16704081
I remember when Russia was crowing about friction stir welding for the Angara series, and look how slow that is going. I keep waiting for it to put Proton in the grave.

>>16704304
yes

[Original idea. DO NOT STEAL]
Make Starship and Super Heavy using a spiral weld process instead of the current welded barrel sections.

>>16704323
This could be considered if Elon's dream of thousands of ships per year makes a new process worth implementing. Seems unwieldy and unlikely, a 3.6 mm wall tube that big without stringers, built horizontally, is just going to collapse.
Let me guess, you thought of this original idea while sitting on the toilet examining the empty cardboard tube with mild panic because your shit wipes are gone

>>16704323
estes rockets are already constructed like this.

>>16704333
Nta, shitskin, but it's easy to imagine a sectional roller mandrel that the freshly welded tube rolls onto, and automated stringer welding at the other end.

>>16704337
did you ever see the estes space shuttle? that one used to go up and then glide back down in a wide spiral. was kinda neat

>>16704333
>Seems unwieldy and unlikely, a 3.6 mm wall tube that big without stringers, built horizontally, is just going to collapse.
Just built it vertically. Mount the rollers and coils to the ceiling of the gigabay and unspool the barrel downwards.

>Let me guess...
actually I thought of this while reading work emails about procuring large diameter pipe.It would more architectural rather than structural so there was talk over visibility of weld seams between a spiral weld and a straight longitudinal weld pipe.

>>16703652
Why wouldn't they? Are you retarded

>>16704340
>>16704346
Its going to be hard as fuck to get the domes welded in, and all the complexity of the structures accounted for. When are the heat shield pins getting attached? The steel coils aren't all that long either, they max out at truck capacity, around 50K pounds for American roads. They would have to co-locate with the steel mill to get a continuous feed of steel long enough for a tube that huge. It was considered, but easily dismissed, what even is the advantage here?

>>16704352
do you know where you are?

>>16704356
>what even is the advantage here?
it initially sounded neat in my head, but I quickly dismissed it as dumb so I decided to post it to /sfg/

>>16703724
Neil deGrasse Tyson?

"Hey Hey! Marcus House here and crap. Just -- crap."

>>16704364
>Your mom just farted

"They finally got the Pez Door open! Mars in 2026 here we come!"

>>16704296
Thanks, yes I know.

The thing is that beyond these there are like half-a-dozen of "new" (founded after 2020, there are also a few other older, now defunct, chinese private LSP) chinese LSP who *exist*, they have a legal footprint, they occasionally get a bit of investment, they sometime show a little bit of hardware (engine, tank component testing) or some factory infrastructure. But nothing much more, it's sometime hard to tell if they're in "stealth mode", if they have bad PR, or if they're just scam-y companies similar to say, Pythom in the US.
While Astronstone has had good PR, their actual achievement so far, and generaly their attitude aren't notable enough to put them above that small group of minor chinese LSP.

>>16704287
Yeah I guess, they had a decent fundraising in march so that may get them to Nebula 1 and decently far into Nebula 2 development, although the actual hardware news have been sparse this past semester, also Tianlong 3H and Pallas-2 are still planned for 2026 with some non-negigible investment and infrastructure work going for them.

btw Space Pioneer is attempting a second go at their S2 static fire on the 22nd/23rd.

CSI black guy about to be a know-it-all about spaceflight, engineering, and construction for at least 3 hours today

Transporter 14 tomorrow appears to be carrying a satellite or two for the MyRadar app that I use every day, that's neat. Maybe now it'll stop changing it's fucking mind every 5 minutes on if it's gonna rain or not.

>>16704373
>Tianlong 3H and Pallas-2 are still planned for 2026 with some non-negigible investment and infrastructure work going for them.

Almost every Chinese rocket company with a F9 clone is also working on a FH clone. How long do you think the development of their FH clone will take after their F9 clone takes it's maiden flight? I'm going to say 3 years.

>>16704397
just use an umbrella bro

>>16704404
I need to know if I have to bring one or not though

>>16704410
just don't go outside

>>16704411
Whoa. Whoa. Slow down there, maestro. There's an OUTside?

>>16704411
But that's where all the stuff is

>>16704431
and mosquitos

>>16704434
They make a spray for that

>>16704439
yeah right, I think I would have heard about it

>>16704402
I imagine most will be cancelled, in fact it's likely they'll all run into the same problem of lack of customers as SpaceX with FH
>For constellation deployment purpose, just like how SX never used FH to launch starlink, they'll probably conclude logistical, cost problems means it won't be worth doing over just increasing the cadence of their monocore launcher
>More importantly, for high energy orbit payloads, which is the niche that FH has found itself, the problem is that in china, such payloads are almost entirely governmental ones and the relevant agencies are very "conservative" with their choice of launch vehicles... It's very unlikely we'll see large spysats launch on anything else than a long march in the near future, and you won't see Europa Clipper/Gateway situations where an exploration mission changes launcher because of availability/cost problem because they are also very conservative with exploration missions, CASC is also significantly increasing production of cz-3B/Cz-5/Cz-7A, which are the high-energy-orbit launchers, so cost/availability for them likely won't be an issue in the near future.

I think the one exception may be Pallas-2, because there's already significant infrastructure investment and especially because the Soyuz-class Pallas-1 is too small to launch megaconstellation batches while being recovered, but the Pallas 2 is almost an entirely new launcher, not a simple tricore version.

>>16704452
True true. I guess that if they want a more powerful rocket, they will just build a bigger reusable rocket, something like New Glenn, instead of fucking around with the difficulties of trying to land 3 first stages at the same time.

>>16704452
>CASC is also significantly increasing production of cz-3B/Cz-5/Cz-7A, which are the high-energy-orbit launchers, so cost/availability for them likely won't be an issue in the near future.

Such a waste, those new production lines are all gonna to be obsolete in 2-3 years once reusable rockets are commonplace. Even the state agencies will have 2-3 F9 clones and the LM-10 by then. That's billions down the drain for already obsolete rockets. They really should have ditched trying to expand production lines for their expendable rockets 2-3 years ago.

>>16700949 (OP)
2 days until the First Look of the Vera Rubin Observatory.

>>16704404
Do you pussies really use an umbrella when it rains?

>>16704476
I don't want to mess up my perm

>>16704464
For LEO it's an aberration yes, it's painful to see CZ-5B being used for Guowang launches, or the CZ-7 variant being exclusively used for Tianzhou

For GTO, which is the main destination of these launchers, it's important to remember that none of the private LSP are doing hydrolox upper stage, all of the upcoming monocore RLV have expendable performances equal or below F9, recovery profiles that will likely be unoptimised at first, and, importantly, they kinda technlogically lag behind the F9 S2. Put simply even the largest RLV like Tianlong 3, which is even heavier than the F9, are likely to have lower GTO performances.
Meanwhile the CZ-3B is a very well oiled machine that gets 5.5t to GTO every 2 weeks for ~$35M.

There are bigger waste at CASC, the whole CZ-8 family is a big one, for example, the simultaneous development of 4 commercial RLVs is another.

At one point we all thought DearMoon was for sure happening in like a year or two
>ERM NO, I KNEW IT WOULD FALL THROUGH THE WHOLE TIME
No you didn't

>>16704493
I thought it would happen eventually, but not anywhere in the near future with the Isaacman flights and so on taking precedent
but it happening or not is kind of irrelevant in the end
after Polaris 3 or something equivalent there might be other parties interested in doing something similar that MZ wanted to do
or maybe MZ himself gains interest again

robotaxi launch in 18h

>>16704509
Nigger why is this pertinent

>>16704509
no wait its 16h

6am austin texas time

>>16704512
its happening

>>16704490
>Meanwhile the CZ-3B is a very well oiled machine that gets 5.5t to GTO every 2 weeks for ~$35M.

It's already at like a dozen launches a year. Why expand production? Just leave it as it is and reserve it solely for GTO missions while the reusable rockets take all it's LEO missions.

>it's important to remember that none of the private LSP are doing hydrolox upper stage

Once the companies have figured out their F9 clones and have secured themselves financially, I have to imagine that at least one of them will start developing a hydrolox 2nd stage variant. It just makes the most sense to optimize your 2nd stage if you're gonna to be destroying it anyway. I suspect that SpaceX would have developed it as a variant for the F9, if they hadn't focused all their attention on Starship.

>recovery profiles that will likely be unoptimised at first, and, importantly, they kinda technlogically lag behind the F9 S2. Put simply even the largest RLV like Tianlong 3, which is even heavier than the F9, are likely to have lower GTO performances.

Again, will be upgraded and optimized with time. Really not worth spending to billions into expanding production of existing expandable rockets.

>There are bigger waste at CASC, the whole CZ-8 family is a big one, for example, the simultaneous development of 4 commercial RLVs is another.

To be fair, LM-8 development probably started around 2014/2015 before reusable rockets were proven to be viable. And yeah, the state agencies really should focus on super heavy lift rockets and leave the F9 clones to the private sector, no need for another 4-5 F9 clones.

Talk me out of it:

> Interested in seeing the very first images from the new Vera Rubin Observatory in Chile? We'll be hosting a "First Look Watch Party" featuring images and data from this iconic new telescope. Doors open at 7:45AM and we'll have introductory remarks and images live-streamed from Chile until 8:45AM. We'll also post images afterwards to our social media for those unable to attend.

>>16704566
why are you so excited about this random ass telescope?

> No space GF. No spending the Summer nights stargazing while cuddling up.

It hurts so much.

>>16704566
Thank God this event is in California and not some 3rd world Latino revolutionary shithole where the government gets a coup every few years, complete with gang warfare, extreme poverty, and general illiteracy

>>16704583
:(

>>16704583

Pasadena at 6 AM is safe. Kinda. Head on a swivel waking from the CalTech parking structure to the auditorium.

>>16704568
It's probably the most important ground based telescope of the last 2 decades.

> 3.2-gigapixel CCD
whoa mama

>>16704588
For England, James?

Not trusting the computer and landing her manually is so tuff

>>16704588
That happened less than 10 years ago and now we have failure after failure on various scientific fields. Coincidence? It's as if THEY are targeting our science directly.

>>16704566

> The Cahill Center--located at 1216 California Boulevard--boasts 100,000 square feet of offices, laboratories, and common areas. Designed by the Los Angeles-based firm Morphosis the building is both highly functional and visually impressive.

> Everything about this building has that thought-through feel--from its address (1216, in angstroms, is the wavelength of ultraviolet light emitted by hydrogen atoms)...

Trying way too head.

>>16704254
back when you jackasses would claim that steelcould survive lunar retur entry temps and die on that hill becuase daddy elontold you

>>16704566
>le big telescope
can't believe after all these scopes they're still not satisified
is astronomy a big scam?

oh no

>>16704533
>It's already at like a dozen launches a year. Why expand production? Just leave it as it is and reserve it solely for GTO missions while the reusable rockets take all it's LEO missions.
It is exclusively going to GTO/MEO anyway (there was only like one CZ-3B to LEO ever), they are expanding production because they have a LOT of GSO payloads to launch over the next 5 years, at least as much as the US have if not more. That an a new generation of beidu.

>>16702543
I'm currently at my dog wouldn't understand

>>16704592
Will it be able to take photos of Proxima Centauri b?

Will it be able to find more KBOs?

No and no. It's just going to be used to take more fake IR pictures of distant galaxies and nebula so people can karma farm on Reddit again.

>>16704660

> Will it be able to find more KBOs? No!

Anon -- that's one of its observation programs.

A proposed KBO project:

> A team of planetary scientists led by JJ Kavelaars of Canada's Herzberg Astronomy and Astrophysics Research Center proposes using VRO for a deep survey of objects along the trajectory of the New Horizons spacecraft. It's currently about 61 astronomical units away from Earth and is the only spacecraft transiting the Kuiper Belt. This "Deep Drilling" micro-survey will use about 30 hours of Rubin time across six 5-hour visits in about a year's time. It will begin in 2026 and should determine orbits for around 700 Kuiper Belt Objects (KBOs).

>>16704664
Just shut the fuck up.

>>16704672
it will look at the pretty pictures or it gets the hose again

fuc you.

i'd fuck me
i'd fuck me hard

> the VRO will also detect ISOs. In a 2023 paper, researchers estimated that the VRO will detect up to 70 interstellar objects every year. If the VRO can see them far enough in advance, it could give us time to launch a mission to one.

>>16704598
>It's as if THEY are targeting our science directly.
Some real Three Body Problem shit tbqh

>>16704668
That's just a description of the project, that's no proposal there

Also spoilers: the next flyby of new horizons will be on Planet 9

Lotsa KBO.

>>16704713
Maybe a stupid question, but why cant we just get rid of they/them?
Like, exterminate them, permanently. I'm focused on this option as the final solution

rip Qaem 100

>>16704493
I thought it was going to happen 2027-ish

>>16704749
afaik none of the launch site have been targeted

It's fucking over.

>>16704760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNVo3VqjL0Q

>>16704760

>>16704760
Only for whitoids, China will grow larger

Why don't we have space bending zero point energy craft yet? We know how they work. The US obviously has them its a well known fact.

They've been to the moon and mars. My theory why they haven't went further is they dont have the oxygen or the tech to navigate further.

Rockets will never be suitable for travel across the stars and everyone high IQ knows this.

>>16704801
dude pass the weed

>>16704802
Ok Glowie

lazy trolls are just embarrassing

>>16704802
You're disingenuous if you really believe rockets will be going a light year with passengers. Mars is like 0.000024 light year and it would take forever to reach it.

Rockets are not the way.

>>16704808
>it would take forever to reach it.
7 months

>>16704808
turn in your retort of the no-communication theorem and collect your Nobel prize, then feel free to come post slop on /sfg/ sir

>>16704801
just because we have them and can dissect them doesn't mean we can build them. do you think if you gave the romans a macbook they would have even been able to build a computer on par with alan turing's? fuck no. same with us and astrogravitics

>>16704744
Maybe they'll finally shut up about Planet Nine

>>16704785
Thank you Elon, very cool! DJT.

>>16704493
I did but admittedly for different reasons than what ended up happening.

>>16704814

If there's a Planet 10* big enough and close enough to have the claimed orbital effects, Rubin will see it. Most likely in the first run, but definitely at some point in the initial 10 year program.

And a metric s-load of ice dwarfs.

*Pluto is a planet. Deal with it.

Falcon 9 abort due to poor FTS signal.

>>16704821
>Pluto is a planet but it's identical clones aren't
Very principaled.

>>16704801
>Why don't we have space bending zero point energy craft yet?
It is no known to be possible.
>We know how they work
No we don't.
>The US obviously has them its a well known fact.
No they don't.
>Pic
Wasn't the guy who drew that not even an engineer?

https://x.com/eager_space/status/1936600229425684582
>From the 2016 New Glenn EIS. Amazingly close to what really happened...

>>16704827

So far, there's nothing in the outer system in a solar orbit larger than Pluto, although Eris is real close. If we call Eris Planet 9 and 3/4 like in a Duck Dodgers cartoon, I'm okay with that.

>>16704840

By radius. Eris is bigger than Pluto by mass. So switch their numbers around if you prefer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gyvy6a7vJsU
>STARSHIP CARNAGE: How Damaged Is The Pad? (Exclusive Post-Explosion Flyover)

>>16704842
Surely this shit counts as espionage right? What's stopping Jeff, or a Chinese spy from doing a flyover in their Cessna?

>>16704848
they don't need to
in fact Jeff followed Interstellar Gateway yesterday I think

>>16704848
For what, copy not working rocket?

>>16700949 (OP)
According to the Chinese paper about their experiment about "Rods from God", they achieved an impact crater of 3m deep and 9m in diameter from a tugsten rod weighing 140kg travelling at Mach 14.
If they increased Its weight to 14 tons (100x the weight), could It achieve an impact crater of 300m and 900m in diameter?

>>16704856
No, because of the square cube law it would only be about 10X larger rather than 100X larger. Although craters have there own weird scaling laws that might change the proportions. The depth of craters correspond to the relative densities of the impactor and the target, so just making the impactor larger won't make the crater deeper as much as you'd expect.

>Finally, our scaling suggests that, in the limit of large Mach numbers, the crater depth depends only on the sound velocity[~density] and gravity, and is independent of the impact speed.
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2023JE007823

only a week to go until the 29th

>>16704821
>Pluto is a planet. Deal with it
Its not even 20% of the mass of the smallest true planet, the Moon. It's been appropriately demoted like Ceres was, except back then soibois didn't cry abot it.

>>16704871
>true planet, the Moon

>>16704808
Is your premise that life is like a video game and you can't believe there's no cheat code to traveling several light years in less than a century? You want to do it, rockets don't do it on a satisfactory timeline for you, therefore magic obviously exists. Go to /x/, this is the science board

>>16704885
Newfags must leave

>>16704871
>Its not even 20% of the mass of the smallest true planet, the Moon.
The Moon isn't anywhere near as interesting as Pluto, though.

>>16704891
Exactly, its not so much about the size, but what the fuck is there that is interesting and valuable to us. Any body greater than 10^20 kg is just as valid of a target, so there needs to be good shit there to be worth visiting. A lot of shit is just a lot of shit, we are looking for the hidden gems, not the biggest rocks

>>16704902
>>16704891
>no accessible metals
Useless and gay, like its fanclub

>>16704903
this is why we have Psyche faggot.
why should we pick just one resource? you must be assuming some Jews took all the prime real estate and your brown race must somehow live on the unwanted fragments
Sorry but the Superior Jews WILL take all the Earth like planets, you can deal with moon rocks and you will like it

>>16704910
now just realized that the apartment building is probably part of the overall design of the complex
maybe something gets built on the trailer park as well

>>16704905
Loads of volatiles closer in so the DWARF planetoid Pluto is superfluous

>>16704890
goodbye, anon! I hope you never return.

>>16704801
look, it's just hard to charge a capacitor to exactly 1 million volts, okay?!

>>16704885
sores?

>>16704891
Pluto is not a planet but does look delicious

>>16704934
Taking a bite would seriously froze your toungue though.

Just skip to V3 boosters already Elong

>>16704934
>>16704938
forbidden freezepop

>>16704939
V3 is where the booster will start exploding

couldn't they static fire on the launch pad?

>>16704959
nevermind, I forgot that the ship separately probably wouldn't fit

>>16703570
LEO is a wate of time but glad to see the ESA do something.

>>16703614
Using Heilum
Not
Going
To
Make
It

>>16703570
looks like they've been smoking some Orbital Reefer

This is Supernova, a highly maneuverable 500kg solar thermal spacecraft in development by Portal Space Systems, a startup founded by former SpaceX and Blue Origin employees. It uses large mirror apertures to heat up onboard propellent (ammonia) for thrust and can deliver an incredible 6km/s of delta-v.
It can move payloads from LEO to MEO in minutes, LEO to GEO in hours and LEO in cislunar in a day.

>>16704937
Always admire these chinks for giving it a go with real Asian effort/work ethic. Yes, they are technically behind, but in the big picture they are rapidly catching up and will have the basics of a mid class reusable first stage booster very soon and this is enormously enabling for SO many things, especially with China's ability to scale up fast. They also have a risk tolerant, low cost, give a fuck what happens and persistent attitude which goes really far in this business. The US and lesser nations are mired in regulation hell and cant accomplish shit because their hands are tied about fairness and the omg there are birds at your launch site? Its suicide and retard countries are yet to wake up

>>16704932
uhhh /v/ I think

>>16704999
They are only really behind in LEO constellations tech (im counting mass produced satellites and reusable rockets here) and the deep-space stuff JPL autists work on.
They have reached parity on almost all the other space systems.

https://x.com/veggie_eric/status/1936823552680079623

>>16705010
so do I buy TSLA or not?

>>16705012
Buy sugar and fill your sauna with it

>>16705013
ty senpai

Staging

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>>16705005
And well, with the JPL situation....
If there's not funding for more major planetary exploration programs and Tianwen 3&4 work they'll have reached parity in deep space in early/mid 2030s

>>16704890
people not agreeing with your shitty forced meme are not new, they're just less retarded than you

>>16701547
/sfg/ is 90% Indians simping for Elon m8
They get unhinged any time you tell the truth about their grifter idol... If you didn't know this fraud is a pillar of Indian culture.

You really want to to see them unhinged say mean things about Einstein--it's pretty funny.