>be born with godlike intellect
>pour it all into a board game

>>16708803 (OP)
he’s rich and he seems happy. We have plenty of geniuses, the government can genetically engineer and clone them in secret, it’s not a big deal

>>16708803 (OP)
is he smart at anything else? feel like i've read that being really good at chess doesn't really mean much outside of that specific game. ie, chess grandmasters aren't usually 150+ iq giga geniuses

>>16708819
MVL, Ding Liren, Gukesh, Bobby Fischer, Wei Yi, Niemann, etc. are pretty smart I think. But it’s true that you can be a genius while not being great at chess if you didn’t devote your childhood to it.

>>16708803 (OP)
Those two things can't both be true.

>>16708819
he has an insane memory

>>16708845
Indeed
https://youtu.be/xmXwdoRG43U

>>16708803 (OP)
Why do people keep insisting chess players are geniuses? A classic RPG seems more intellectually and creatively stimulating to me and they are played by mouth breathing retards.

>>16708890
Top chess players have impressive mental skills anon.

>>16708845
>>16708908
memory =/= intelligence
You can just memorize a bunch of things (including rote memorization) and be shit at basic deductions.

On the other side,

1) Henri Poincaré (a french mathematician from whom, among others, Einstein based his studies on relativity) was really bad at chess and even didn't understand the philosopy behind the game.

2) Albert Einstein himself wasn't very skilled at chess too, he was just decent.

3) Napoleon was another example of historical guy who wasn't skilled -this time, being himself a professional war strategist-.

4) Jean-Jacques Rousseau was another french example of brilliant philosopher but really average chess player.

5) Isaac Asimov admitted in his own biography that he was 'the worst chess player that has ever existed'.

6) Winston Churchill prefered backgammon and bridge over chess, where he wasn't very skilled.


TL;DR: much further than differenciating between memory and tactics, chess isn't about intelligence, rather than skill.

>>16708845
not as good as a computer's memory

>>16708930
stupid comparison

>>16708803 (OP)
If he had godlike intellect he'd have become a mathematician like von Neumann or Gauss. He has just the right intellect for playing a board game really well.

>>16708803 (OP)
>Chess players are le smart
Nope. On average GM's have average IQ scores.

>>16708803 (OP)
His FSIQ is 115 lmfao he could’ve contributed to physics but it’s fucking useless Jesus is coming back aka me

>>16708803 (OP)
Most smart people "waste" their intellect and don't contribute much to humanity. Look at Terrence Tao. He is smart as hell but he will never have the impact of older mathematicians who were not as smart but were there at the right place at the right time. Even if he does make a big proof during his lifetime, math is so far ahead of the rest of science that it will be pointless. He could have had a much greater impact if he went into chem, bio, or even physics.
There's also many kinds of "smart". A chess genius might not have ended up being a top scientist if he chose that route. His brain might be wired to be a chess prodigy but not so much to be a researcher.

>>16708803 (OP)
>>pour it all into a board game
>be some mediocre researcher researching some shit that likely won't even be used
at least he is arguably the greatest at something. there's no way of knowing how good of a researcher he would have been.

>>16708803 (OP)
Chess has been solved lmao, it requires 0 intelligence to get good at. Here's what you need to be good at chess:
>Ability to visualise the board accurately in your head and move pieces in your head quickly, so that you can search the tree.
>Ability to evaluate a given chess position intuitively and spot good moves, this just comes from 10s of thousands of hours of practice, especially when young
Those two things are literally all that's required to be a GM, that's it.

they look good, i don't get it

>>16708805
You don't understand. Geniuses owe us their mental labor. We need more fun things. We need more toys. We need more entertainment. We need more stuff. Why aren't geniuses giving it to us? Why are they allowed to waste their natural given talents on dumb things instead of providing for the world? Why should we allow them to be so greedy?

>>16709257
because your gratification is worthless.

>>16709239
Rote memorization of openings is more important than both of those

>>16709268
Maximizing happiness is the only worthy purpose.

>>16709279
that's just hedonism

>>16709271
Yep. As Fischer said
>Theory has ruined chess

>>16708938
so what can he do with his memory that any guy with a computer can't?

>Be the best in the World in your chosen field
>Get criticised for doing the wrong thing

Nah, pretty sure he picked the right path in life

>>16708803 (OP)
Why is he such a whiny bitch? Every time he loses, he chimps out like a monkey.

>>16709283
Sweats have been ruining games since games were invented lmao

>>16709330
you'd have to remember what you're looking for and extract it from the computer

>>16708913
The fact that you think a classic RPG requires any kind of intelligence, and the fact that you think chess is "just" memorisation, suggests to me that you're an idiot.

>>16709283
>>16709271
Not really. You NEED elite memorisation to be a GM, no doubt, but what's the difference between the best and the 10th best? It's not memorisation.

>>16709395
I have been playing this game called Beyond All Reason and it fucking sucks.
It very team dependent and you just need the luck that you opponent didn't randomly build shit to counter you.
>You or your teammate didn't build heavy anti air? Bummer, now 2 planes have destoryed your entire base
>You did build anti air? Well you didn't build anti Nuke, enemy rushed nukes
>You build anti air and anti nukes and stealth detection and frontline defenses? Well you didn't think about the amphibious invisible suicide bomber tick that circled your radar and now it's deep inside your base and will blow up your fusion reactors

Reall fuck RTS games

>just don't exist in the system and you never have to make the face Destiny

>>16709281
>pleasure = happiness
No anon, *that* is hedonism

>>16708803 (OP)
>godlike intellect
Being a chess champion doesn’t guarantee you're genius in other areas. you don’t need to be a genius to be good at chess.
What you do need
-Pattern recognition
-Practice
-Study
-Patience and discipline

also its not like magnus won every chess tournament. he only won chess world cup 1 time. others have won it twice.

>>16709406
Sounds like rock, paper, scissors with extra steps.

>>16708890
>classic RPG seems more intellectually and creatively stimulating to me
yes but you're not competing with other people to make the most optimal decisions in your RPG on the fly on a time limit and reach worlds #1 competitive RPG nerd

We've had a chess club at school and i liked to play chess, but i sucked at it. I then discovered that chess books are a thing, after reading these and applying the knowledge i went to become top 5 best players of the school and i am not even smart at all

>nooooo don't have a good time and enjoy life
>a millionaire in your 30s doing something you like?
>you should've wasted your youth in academia to wind up in a dead end post-doc programme in mathematics... like me!

>>16709373
which anyone can do with ease

>>16709239
are you magnus? or a retard?

from my foree into chess, it becomes apparent that those naturally skilled at pattern recognition and memory will excel, but it isn't clear that this applies to other areas of life. If you are a GM at chess, yes you will absolutely destroy others in the aforementioned areas, but this does not apply to other areas of life. good luck!

>>16709963
>he only won chess world cup 1 time.
How come? They claim he's the best to have ever played the game, so why only one title?

>>16708803 (OP)
Chess is such a shitty game that survives by its "le smort peepul game" reputation. It has fixed opening position which favours memorization over strategic thinking, the number of pieces gets lower as the game progresses making the ending a theory-based chore. The game was studied to death and for human purposes pretty much solved. Magnus would get fucked if he tried playing modern board games like Dvonn, Hive, Kamisado, or Terra Mystica where simply being a memory autist insn't enough

>>16709978
It really is

>>16708858
https://youtu.be/Fbphhg9ArXw

>>16708803 (OP)
>make a living playing games
>become a millionnaire
>live the life you want to
Godlike intellect confirmed

>>16710268
Magnus dominates in Fischer random chess where the opening position of the pieces on the back rank are randomized. There are 960 possibilities so you can’t memorize any openings, but he still plays well. It’s not as simple as just memorizing openings and endings and tactics. Go to the lichess puzzle trainer right now and you’ll see how complicated chess can be.

>>16710338
>chess where the opening position of the pieces on the back rank are randomized.
This changes almost nothing. The goal and vector of the opening remains largely the same - develop pieces, establish control of the center. Nothing fundamental changes if you start with knight on c1 instead of b1.

>>16710376
not really. The engine will analyze the random positions and often give weird evaluations for what the best move is. It’s not uncommon for the grandmasters to make mistakes in the first 5-7 moves because there is so much complexity inherent in the opening position Yeah often you play for the center but that’s not memorization, that’s just a strategic principle, no different than controlling the center and developing your resources in virtually any game. I could go the other way and say that all games are reducible to memorization. The fact that chess must be played with hours on the clock is already proof that you’re not just recalling past information but generating new information as you play. This is why young talents can be as strong as older players. The current world champion is only 18 years old.

>>16708919

I often wondered how well the strategic skills of chess translated into the real world (or vice versa). I always felt chess was too restrictive to emulate anything close to real life. In reality, creativity is a major part to tactics not just raw computation.

>>16708803 (OP)
bro probably has a 2 incher lmfao how is he going to do doggy style with that hahahahah

>t. 6.2 incher 6.1 inches girth no lie i can post a pic

>>16710740
ok

>>16708803 (OP)
>be born with godlike intellect
>pour it all into a board game
>earn literal millions
>fug bad bitches
>while some faggot on a imageboard envies you to the core

>>16709257
>>16709279

maybe you should fairly compensate said geniuses for their labor instead of whatever society is doing currently to us.

>>16708803 (OP)
>godlike intellect
>chess
Oh, sweetie!

>>16708803 (OP)
Hes smart and studious and definitely could have been an engineer or an investment banker or professor if he wanted, but the marginal utility of an extra one of those is not all that high so we don't lose much by making him a professional game player. On a personal level he gets to make millions do something he was made for and enjoys so I can't blame him.

>>16708819

He's extremely good at rote memorization. Chess isn't ALL about memorization, but it's very, very helpful of course. When he was a kid he did a task along the lines of: memorize every last village and county in all of Norway, something like that. Several thousand pieces of rote information, something like that.

As others in this thread have intuited in the back and forth between memory and general intelligence, the skills for chess are a very particular, narrow form of intelligence, to be distinguished from superior general intelligence. But in some cases there's overlap. I think Kasparov's IQ is claimed to be on the order of 140 or so, but one must take such claims very critically. Then of course there's midwits like Nakamura who's right around 105 or so. They'll both smoke you fools on the board, of course.

>>16711794
>Then of course there's midwits like Nakamura who's right around 105 or so
it's absolutely insane to believe that unironically. It makes for a good factoid to impress the normies and provoke a pseudointellectual discussion, but if we're discussing the real world, it's obvious that there's zero chance naka is below +1.5 sd (at a bare minimum)

>>16709963
indeed, look at all the 95 FSIQ indians taking over chess with their high ass conscientiousness lmfaooooooooo

Maybe you guys would like the brainpower required to score even above the middle of your team in tribes 3

>>16708803 (OP)
"knowing how to play chess is the mark of a gentleman, knowing how to play chess *well* is the mark of a life wasted" -some guy

>>16708803 (OP)
mm. who is the prey there?

My IQ is 133 on WAIS-IV scale and I'm not contributing to anything. I'm jobless and have an useless training in IT.

>noooo you can’t just do what you love for a living, you’re wasting your life unless you are in misery for the sake of your employer

>>16708890
Let me guess, a ten year old raped you in chess?

>>16708803 (OP) Instead of choosing to be a slave to other people's desires, try to do what makes you most satisfied. Try it. And do it all the time. You finish something great for you and you ask yourself, "what is the next best thing I could do now?", and simply do it.

Start the flow.

>>16708890
>Why do people keep insisting chess players are geniuses?
cbf to look up the specific term but it's a common midwit fallacy to assume that expertise in one field is generalizable.
it's the reason why absolute fucktards like JBP and James Lindsay are treated like genuine "intellectuals" by drug addicts.

>>16711404
>us

we should have a /sci/ chess tournament on lichess

>>16710338
>Magnus dominates in Fischer random chess
no, he doesn't. So is better and Nakamura won the last 960 WC

>>16708803 (OP)
Magnus won by that girlfriend alone. Cant dispute that.

>>16710765
I’m not going to post a pic of my cock but I can post it on another board