Is man made climate change real and a significant / the most significant factor?
Does it matter, should I care?
If it matters, how long if ever for it to affect a person in the Midwest US?

>>16710363 (OP)
No way to know.

So according to the late great Nils Axel Morner there was zero evidence of sea level rise at all.

So obviously he must be wrong because the UN IPCC booted him off their panel and cut all funding for his research.....

>>16710363 (OP)
https://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/CurrentMap.aspx

>>16710388

>>16710401
based

>>16710401
it already started mein bruder

the frequency of extreme climate events is increasing

just because it hasnt affected you personally doesnt mean its fake

>>16710599
Brother look up geoengineering.
Tell me how you distinguish the claims made about so calleed extreme weather from active weather warfare.

>>16710363 (OP)
Don't assume that catastrophic warming and rising sea levels aren't a net positive for humanity. Some parts of the world will be more affected than others.

>>16710603
>Tell me how you distinguish the claims made about so calleed extreme weather from active weather warfare.
Extreme weather events disproportionately affect impoverished people. Military outposts and governments are the least impoverished sections of a country. Attacking civilians without an announcement doesn't accomplish anything except killing people unable to do anything about any militaristic situation to begin with and squanders the ability of a country to stage a revolt against it's own government. A foreign country wouldn't do it because it wouldn't do anything, and a country wouldn't do it to itself because it would actively reduce the governments ability to profit from it's own people's labour and costs money to repair.

>>16710642
A couple of years ago atmospheric water trading led to forest fires and droughts all across northern europe.

The method is relatively simple. use heat to raise moisture to higher layers in the atmosphere so that it travels further.

>>16710380
His method of measuring the sea level was like dropping a rope out of a boat and seeing how much rope it took to reach the surface.;..
the distance between the bottom and the top could increase but he can't tell from the boat without a land reference.

>>16710363 (OP)
It is already affecting you

>>16710363 (OP)
>Is man made climate change real and a significant / the most significant factor?
Yes it's real.
>Does it matter, should I care?
Yes it matters.
>If it matters, how long if ever for it to affect a person in the Midwest US?
It's affecting you right now.

There is no broad-scale human behavior which can solve climate change. Electric cars, solar panels, etc. all of it distracts from the glaring problem in the room of energy consumption. Indeed, there is no real cap on the amount of energy companies can use. You are essentially pitting a finite resource (renewables) against an infinite demand, which will be fulfilled in with coal and oil. The environmental disaster that is generative AI has companies opening coal plants back up.

The most likely and probably most desirable scenario is that we end up permanently kneecapping ourselves to the point that tech companies and industrial society in general no longer exist. That means replace jobs with ai, spike the coal consumption, more hurricanes, more extreme weather, etc. We need to accelerate to crash civilization. Current models predict societal collapse as early as 2030, and I believe it. What destroys society will not be a single factor, but a confluence of many factors: unemployment, heatwaves, crop losses, inflation, hurricanes, diseases, etc. which will all converge together. Some of these will be due to nature, but some of them will be due to ai and the overabundance of educated workers, among other things.

>>16710876
>societal collapse as early as 2030
Good luck with that

>>16710363 (OP)
The blackpill regarding climate change is that our 20th/21st century lifestyles are unsustainable due to capitalism negatively impacting the environment. Within the next three hundred years, we will likely lose access to the infrastructure we depend on and begin resembling third world countries.

As things become more expensive, the birth rate will go down due to children becoming a luxury. Young children and old people will be killed off by disease and extreme weather in both first world countries and third world countries. Extreme weather will result in resources being efficiently managed for a smaller population instead of being wasted. As the population decreases, less people can be exploited in order for our capitalist system to function. This is why the hyper-wealthy are pissed at the birth rates going down because without enough slaves to work, they lose their power.

Our responsibility is to teach people how to live 18th/19th century lifestyles and prepare society to regress backwards.

>>16710642
>Extreme weather events disproportionately affect impoverished people.
That's right. It also disproportionately affects women.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_and_gender
And we should effect laws to protect them
https://www.weforum.org/stories/2024/01/women-health-climate-change/
I heckin love science.

>>16713470
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_climate_change
I'm so happy this is a scientific topic

The climate has always and will always changed. the evidence does not support the idea that humans are causing climate change through carbon dioxide emissions.

The focus on co2 is a distraction and justification by the UN/Davos cabal to force deindustrialisation of certain advanced nations.
Notice their lack of interest in actual pollution.

>>16710363 (OP)
The world is ending in 5 years if we don't install communism, carbon taxes, and take away your rights! It's for your own good! Trust the fear mongering propaganda like this >>16710388

>>16713478
You're not making much sense seeing as deindustrialisation is literally great for every human on earth well except maybe a few that profit from it and are still able to live in some shielded clean bubble

>>16713478
>climate is always changing because everything in the climate is variable
>humans introduce co2 into the environment
>this changes the environment per my own definition of climate change
>but because humans do this, it's not climate change
you're a different kind of retard, aren't you?

>>16713495
The evidence I'm aware of doesn't support the idea that humans have any significant impact on the climate from co2 emissions.
Literally all just a UN control justification.

>>16713496
ah yes, climate change is bunk because the climate is always changing. but when humans induce the change, i will discount it because the change is insignificant. this invalidates your original argument: the natural variability of the climate you are using to reject climate change is also insignificant. this logical error is compounded by you also being straight up incorrect. i also find it cute how you have to hedge your retardation
> does not support the idea that humans are causing climate change through carbon dioxide emissions.
pared down
> does not support the idea that humans are causing climate change
but you wouldn't write this because you'd get smacked down with how CFCs destroyed the ozone. so you now shift only to CO2. because if you admit humans can (and did) induce climate change on a significant scale, then your entire argument crumbles.

>>16710363 (OP)
kike bullshit

>>16713504
No, I fixate on the key argument that has been promoted ad nauseum for 30 years that humans release co2 from fissil fuels which causes climate change.

>>16713521

>>16713524
anon, don't be thick.

>>16710363 (OP)
2 more week

>>16710599
>the frequency of extreme climate event predictions is increasing
Just fixed it for you.
And how many times have they depicted that the North Pole should be ice free?

I wouldn't worry about it personally, but it definitely will have a negative impact on the economy and change the worlds geography a bit in the coming decades and centuries.

The world is not going to end, but

-More droughts
-Crop yields going to shit, so more famines and more expensive food worldwide
-More frequent and more severe extreme weather events such as tornados and flash floodings due to severe rainfall
-More civil wars in Africa and instability in regions like Pakistan that are sensitive to droughts/famines and extreme weather events
-This will displace civilians leading to more refugees all over Middle East, Europe and Asia
-Some animals will become rare or go extinct
-Some islands will cease to exist and regions below sea level need to build dykes or go under.
-US will be hit by more frequent and more severe hurricanes

-Not all negatives, some regions that are currently quite cold might get pleasant mild climates.

In the long term, the climate becomes harder and harder to predict. But what we do know is that it will be hard for the current ecosystems that are adapted to the current climate to thrive. Not to speak of economics and birth rates that the other guy was talking about.

>>16715301
The problem with these predictions is that climate change has been occurring for at least 100 years now if the data is to be believed.

None of that has happened in that time, weather has become easier to predict, crop yields are higher every year, wars are rarer and less deadly, fauna populations have improved.

>>16716626
73%
https://livingplanet.panda.org/en-US/

>>16716626
>The problem with these predictions is that climate change has been occurring for at least 100 years now if the data is to be believed.
It began with instrialization, so just about 1870, so more like 150 years. Despite industrialization happening a while ago the vast majority of emissions have happened in the past 30 or so years coinciding with the rise of internet. There was also a substantial spike in the 50s with increased vehicle usage.

>weather has become easier to predict
Yeah, with increased computing power and models, but not because the weather has become less erratic. Weather has become substantially more erratic in the past few decades.

>crop yields are higher every year
Yes, because of intensifying fertilizer and pesticide usage along with increased atmospheric CO2. The agricultural boosts from warming are the shape of an inverted U: initial release has prolonged the growing season, but over time it's also desertifying large swaths of the planet, hence why the sahara is growing every year.

>>16710363 (OP)
Mass migration is the only solution

>>16713478
>>16713496
Only based posts in this thread

>>16713487
Why don't they ever pressure China or India to stop? I don't think Greta went to campaign in either of those countries once back when she was the UN's climate brainwashing tool.

>>16713486
No international flights for thee, but private jets for me