Why does gravity warp space? Or does it?

>>16714101 (OP)
It does, it's because of the Einstein tensor, as energy and mass spread out. When you put mass and energy into a region spacetime curves out

>>16714101 (OP)
Just wait until you find out that electromagnetic fields affect electromagnetic waves.
(This is technically schizobait. If you take this unintended bait, please fuck the hell off.)

>>16714101 (OP)
It doesn’t. Gravitons apply negative force and cause objects to attract to one another.
There is no such thing as “space time” as a “thing” that can be “warped”
Space is a lack of literally anything. It isn’t even a medium through which things travel. It’s simply nothing. Particles like photons and gravitons travel at the speed of causality through empty space.

>>16714187
>Gravitons apply negative force and cause objects to attract to one another.
Are the gravitons in the room with us right now?

>>16714199
Yes.

>>16714187
>It isn’t even a medium through which things travel
>travel at the speed of causality through empty space
Please expand, as these appear contradictory.

>>16714101 (OP)
It doesn't, the aetheric fluid drag caused by the rotation of massive objects like the Sun refracts light and creates the impression of "warped" space. It's impossible to warp or bend empty space which is merely a mathematical abstraction.

>>16714252
The word "through" is an artifact of language that is required to explain the movement of objects.
In the vast majority of circumstances, there is a medium through which to pass.
The only exception is empty space. Which is literally nothing. There is nothing to pass through. Yet, as an artifact of language, it must be described that things "pass through" empty space.

>>16714273
The vast majority of earthly* circumstances, I should say (water, air, the crust, etc.).

>>16714273
But there's still distance, that's not "nothing". Actual nothingness shouldn't involve empty space.

>>16714101 (OP)
its aether warp

>>16714328
Distance isn't a physical "thing"
It's just distance.
>Actual nothingness shouldn't involve empty space.
if you took away matter and energy what would "space" be?

>>16714101 (OP)
Space is smoot
The sun rises in the east and sets in the west
The univers is expanding and the center of our galaxy is a black hole
Not a wormhole
Just incomprehensible dense matter requiring black physics

>>16714101 (OP)
>Or does it?
whatever interpretation gets you an effective mathematical representation is fine

>>16714388
Fabric of reality

>>16714101 (OP)
Dont ask why, physics Theories arent actual Truth. They are models that work well.

>>16714354
aetherfags get the rope

>>16714166
>Just wait until you find out that electromagnetic fields affect electromagnetic waves.
what the fuck?! Are you saying I can bend photons wih magnets??

>>16714101 (OP)
It can be modeled as doing so.
Whether or not "the fabric" of space is real is kind of irrelevant, it could just be a useful model and not a real physical thing. Or subject to human perception.

>>16714101 (OP)
Not space itself but Higgs-Boson field.

>>16714263
The aethereous aether of the aetheryan realm interacts aetheriously in an aetheryician sense aetheryologically with light

>>16714502
Can you stop treating abstractions as "real"?
There is no "fabric" of reality. Only reality.
If all you had in reality was empty space, you could say that "reality is nothing - nothing exists"
Neither does "reality" require anything to exist.

>>16714388
How does particles know how big to be, how far to reach out with their forces?

>>16714101 (OP)
Sabine says gravity is now a force, not curvature of anything and theres no graviton but like 4 particles that have a combined effect of something like a graviton. She says it can be quantized and that it gives the GR equations when taken to a classical limit, but its only an effective model because all the calculations are done with flat spacetime

>>16714101 (OP)
it's the principle of least action applied to space

>>16715091
They don't "know" anything.
They're constrained by subatomic forces.
>how far to reach with their forces
I'm going to assume you're baiting and not actually this retarded... but think back to Sir Isaac Newton.

Think of a black holes / singularity as a location where the building blocks are broken down to the smallest possible size, and packed into the tightest possible arrangement devoid of empty room for building blocks to pack into, so no building blocks can move anywhere at all.
Time has stopped because time is the movement of 1 foundational building block.

>>16715251
We don't know what's going on inside a black hole in the first place. We've got theories, sure, but definitely no way to verify them.
It's best to not worry about it too much.

>>16715371
I like the gravastar theory where there isn't even an "inside" just a big crust of fuck you.

>>16715371
This, but its every astronomy theory.

>>16715371
umm we DO know exactly what the inside of a black hole is. educate yourself on stephen hawkings work.