how do you know if someone is schizophrenic?

>>16714684 (OP)
just ask him, if he says yes he's schizophrenic

>>16714689
yeah but like how do i know if someone is schizophrenic though?

>>16714692
just ask him though. if he says yes, he is schizophrenic

>>16714694
what if the schizophrenic man is too afraid to speak to me because he thinks im gonna harm him with this information
he'd say "N...No..."

i mean
i've seen people walk naked on the street screaming that jesus is coming soon
that would be a better sign

ykno what
how often do u see schizos anyways it's not like it's super uncommon
they're 1% of the population afterall
and uh. well i mean i've visited the mental hospital once and i saw these schizos just screaming and banging on the doors throwing chairs

one time a schizo poured coffee all over a nurses head
i mean these are the signs im looking for nigga

>>16714702
dude just ask. if he says yes, that's proof he's schizophrenic

>>16714684 (OP)
u can't. this is the hard problem of consiousness. if u solve it u get a noble price!

>>16714705
the hard problem of consciousness eh? well we know that the quality of a persons mind gets exposed when the person in question behaves in a certain way
thereby we have the schizo diagnosis to suggest that someone is behaving in a particular way and there's a pattern of behavior that has been well established and labeled as schizophrenic

>>16714705
>>16714707
you both are retarded. how do you think a psychistrist diagnoses schizophrenia? do you think psychiatrists say 'I can't diagnose you because I don't know if you're conscious or not'?
No, the psychistrist asks questions to the patient, depending on what he answers he gets one diagnostic or another. if he lies he gets misdiagnosed.
this is why the only form to know is just ask him, and if he says yes, he is a schizophrenic

>>16714717
ur a big meanie
and my eye queue is higher den urs

>>16714684 (OP)

Checksum errors in non-hypotheticals. Gold standard diagnostic marker.

>>16714724
eye queue, eh? first in first out then. fifo, even.

>>16714684 (OP)
When confronted with the possibility of a personal mistake he will get madly angry

>>16714684 (OP)
From his behavior/symptoms.

>>16714689
Most schizophrenic people don't even admit they have it, even after being on meds.

ask someone if they ever see shadow people. it's remarkable how many people casually admit this without realizing it's one of the primary indicators of the onset of schizophrenia. most won't develop into full blown schizophrenia, but all will display clear and strong symptoms
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_person

>>16714684 (OP)
First things first:
I don't believe there is ANY relationship between "actual" schizophrenia and "paranoid" schizophrenia.
Actual schizophrenics have no control over the HALLUCINATIONS they experience.
Paranoid schizophrenics are fully cognizant and WANT to be DELUSIONAL.
For example: observe how a paranoid schizophrenic is no longer paranoid of you if you simply humor their delusion. If it were random delusions this wouldn't make sense. "Targeted-individual support groups" would NEVER form if paranoid schizophrenics didn't have control over their delusions. If it were uncontrollable hallucinations of "being watched" or harassed, then these groups would break down instantly as one or two members start hallucinating persecution from one another.

>why would people want to be delusional?
It's a manifestation of narcissism - paranoid schizophrenics believe the entire world literally revolves around them. It's a delusion that results in some sort of benefit to their psyche (not necessarily a benefit to their *person*).

>>16714978
this user, for example, is clearly schizophrenic (in the early stages) and he doesn't realize it.

>>16714705
This has nothing to do with the "hard problem"
>>16714807
Probably more of a diagnostic of low IQ
>>16714978
Paranoid "schizophrenics" are not schizophrenics and are more likely to be cluster A
>>16714684 (OP)
Ask

>>16714684 (OP)
by looking at their 4chan post history

Anons are retarded.

You ask them if they experience common symptoms without telling them that's what you're checking because they might not be able to recognize them as symptoms. This is mostly for active psychosis though.

For example:
Does God have a personal connection to you?
Have you ever saw/heard or believed something that others didn't believe or see/hear? (This statement is not incongruent with believing delusions and hallucinations are or with anosognosia).
Do you frequently experience unexplainable deja vu?

You ask them to reveal it instead of telling things to you - you aren't forcing them and you encourage them to be in charge of what they tell you to reduce paranoia.

They will be able to answer and give important information. Often none of these symptoms will be recognized as existing or thought of as anything out of the ordinary.
You then make your own observations and combine it with what they said and how they said.
There are neurological symptoms like agnosia and aphasia as well.

>>16714684 (OP)
because he hears voices and trip balls lmao, but to be fair, for me it all started with just paranoia and social anxiety, the first symptoms I descrived showed up like a decade later almost

>>16714684 (OP)
When they meet sufficient diagnostic criteria, meaning mood-incongruent psychosis not caused by drugs and the negative symptoms such as avolition, withdrawal and anhedonia.

>>16714684 (OP)
Some anons on various boards can't write in a coherent or consistent manner. Their posts are entirely non sequitur. If that's not schizophrenia then surely it's a related disorder like schizoaffective or perhaps they're literally low IQ or under influence mimicking schizo symptoms. Disordered writing = disordered thought = disordered being.

>>16715781
DESU I find it weird that schizophrenia encompasses so many seemingly unrelated things. Think you're Napoleon? Schizophrenia. Think there are pink elves talking to you and providing advice when you're walking advice? Schizophrenia. Can't fucking talk or write because your neurological pathways fire in non-sequential order? Schizophrenia. Start putting on layers upon layers of clothes over and over again at random? Schizophrenia.
It would probably be interesting to try to at least subdivide it some more.

>>16715794
>schizo = split
>phrenia = mind
>split - mind
>it has so many manifestations
>i am surprised by this
retard lol

>>16715802
Schizophrenia isn't defined by its etymology. A corpus callosotomy doesn't make you schizophenic.

>>16715809
words are necessarily defined by their etymology you fucking retard

>>16715810
Ah yes because atoms are literally indivisible as their etymology implies. Except for when you turn them into a plasma, you know. Again, no one is suddenly categorized as schizophrenic when you literally split theit mind by severing their corpus callosum.

>>16715812
atomic is still used to describe indivisible units of reality. atomic family, atomic verbs, and so on. you cannot fault the greeks for not knowing electrons or protons existed. meanwhile ancient knowledge of the mind is about on par with our understanding today. all of the diagnostic criteria for schizophrenia align with the etymology of the word.

actual schizo here, ask if u want

>>16715812
>>16715809
>Corpus Callostomy
>Brain [math]=[/math] Mind
Were you dropped on your head?

>>16715794
Disorganization of speech and writing is a differentiating criterium especially in relationship to other symptoms like hallucination and fantastical themes. Narcissists aren't disorganized that way. Psychopaths aren't disorganized that way. Borderlines aren't disorganized that way. Depressed people aren't disorganized that way. Anxious people aren't disorganized that way. Avoidant personalities aren't disorganized that way. Anti-social people aren't disorganized that way. Autists aren't disorganized that way. It's a unique pattern of behavior.

>>16715830
ADHD - if you permit its existence - shows a disorganization of speech, writing and thought.

>>16715833
Perhaps but probably not centered around demons, intelligence agencies, aliens or such /x/-files.

>>16715826
Someone with a corpus callostomy has a literal "split mind", as in, 2 disconnected personalities.
>>16715830
But you can have forms of aphasia and agnosia that lead to similar disorganization.

>>16715846
>But you can have forms of aphasia and agnosia that lead to similar disorganization.
I guess neurological damage, brain tumors and such can be objectively diagnosed. When such conditions are ruled out and the disorder is centered around /x/ then schizophrenia is a plausible candidate.

Of course (You) may truly be gang stalked by demons, the CIA and skinwalkers in a world ruled by the demiurge.

>>16714684 (OP)
I'm a literal schizo, ask if you want

now with a pic for your low attention span ass

Wild-goose chasing.

>>16714684 (OP)
Cure schizophrenia & war with the following...

1: Rid anxiety & anger?
->fact: anger needs oxygen.
->anger is anxiety (vice versa)

2: Two genders
->Lesbian
->The 2nd gender? You have to say "Beetlejuice" three times (thumbnail)!

>>16714689
This.

Mood disturbances result from nutrient imbalances, look up hyperthyroidism.. calling yourself unstable is only fun until you encounter an authority that thinks like this >>16714947

>>16714684 (OP)
i experience vivid hallucinations and AFAIK schizophrenia is hyper autism given that's where the term was coined from very autistic patients were called schizophrenics

>>16714684 (OP)
if there's enough incriminating hearsay from somebody in authority and if they have full insurance coverage then yes, they are indeed schrizophrenic and in need of lifelong care and monitoring
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bPcgoaZjsu8

>>16714684 (OP)
I lived with a schizo. He would constantly yell "get off my neck" when he was alone in his room. He called the police a few times until I told our landlord who threatened to evict him if he kept calling the police over. He also talked about Israel all the time and that Hillary Clinton adopted him and that he was talking to Emannuel Macron. Idk what that dude is up to now.

>>16714684 (OP)
Do schizo have free will

ask them about

>>16716265
Well I'm the leading case study for it. Do I have free will?

>>16716230
Why medicine people doesn't get people nutrition to see if something bad goes away sooner than they give them "medicine"?

>>16716407

it does happen but unfortunately the mental health profession mostly revolves around drugs. I do see it strange that such an evolutionary abnormal strategy, essentially encouraging chronic dosing research chemicals is so widely tolerated.

for an analogy- i recently saw some writing about triiodothyronine for depression, using it as an exogenous drug- a nutritionist would just increase iodine and selenium- same outcome, increased T3.. but the latter you don't need a script and i suspect on a large scale would produce less tachyphylaxis in the long term.

neuroleptics quell useful endogenous-originating, progress-orientating, motivating impulses. the apathy isn't sustainable and it can be frightening coming off and them looking through a clearer lens at your life.

nutrients are deep enough, theres no need for drugs

>>16716428
While not on neuroleptics, I have big motivation to do things. Many people, like literally most of them do not understand those things. On them I only snack all day, hoping I do something meaningful, but I'm more scrolling and eating than doing. For me antipsychotics feels like injected ADHD. Without crystal meth, on them, I'm not productive at all. With crystal meth on them, I study. Last time my focus ware somewhere around mTor and sirtuins, look it up, useful stuff. But I can't have crystal meth, so I'm getting distracted and fat. Which is more dangerous, than not doing antipsychotics, Not doing antipsychotics renders me something like being on half of meth I do on antipsychotics, without meth, and without anti-psychotics and meth, I need to build(usually trough text editor and some interpreted machine language). Or reading something on pubmed, but that's more like on AP's and meth at once... I don't know why... I think I don't have schizophrenia, I learned that there's new diagnosis, psychitic depression, and my health much improved since also having AD's in treatment, but I'm spiraling into lazyness, and crystal meth seems like only way out.(I didn't have had crystal meth for more then a year). I literally just scroll all day while on AP's and AD's and do nothing productive like I used to do without psychiatric medication and/or on crystal meth. It's making me sad. I have been doing meth for long time, having adjusted nutrition(l-phenylalanine, selenium-methione, phenotropil, piracetam, noopt... all the goodies). Is there something that would make me productive again, assuming I can't quit AP's and AD's?

>>16716439
I found panax ginseng and l-lysine helpful to ease the shock coming off fluvoxamine, brexpiprazole and pramipexole after 3 years, panax has some antidopaminergic activity significant enough that after a few months i prefer not to be taking it.

I did lots of meth, weed and booze while under the influence also- chasing motivation but would 9/10 just masturbate to things that still bother me- meds chronically numbing the inevitable regret and shame but not the crash and effects of malnutrition.

Now having my consistent, everlasting motivation and autonomy, it could potentially be a minor nutrient imbalance, but I see many different ways to look at how i treated and pissed people around under the influence- I was a psychopath on the stuff, wanting to supress my inhibitions further.

After several months off them, its not just the quelled inner monologue and motivation that scare me, it's the way I treated people i now care about- adding stims has never really aided my perception in this regard.

There's a few things i currently find useful for energy- definitely use whey protein over most amino supplements- its more practical, don't forget vitamin c, magnesium (glycinate) loosens my mind in an interesting way- bit like dxm and alcohol, and ive noticed sleep improvement from molybdenum and copper

the selenium and iodine change me the most, induces anger, removes fear from confrontation and stresses me out- ill go down the manic rabbithole- music sounds amazing, exercise is effortless- ultimately harmful but strangely powerful- id still chicken out a lot meth+meds, the thyroid stuff is on another level- but its likely alsothe fact im no longer restrained by meds

>>16716476
Ive witnessed biological drug tolerance as inescapable, i even got some withdrawals from that ginseng. Im pretty confident you can combine histone deactylase inhibitors with nmda antagonists etc to only further complicate

Its possible to quit, like on stims when optimistic theres a way.

Im slowly transitioning to a more varied diet now as ive found increased productivity introducing regular vegetables for example, some of it conflicts with my pills- need to lower selenium to avoid anxiety. Who knows, it is possible all the research could be bullshit slowly rusting to dust.
Im happy I moved on.

>>16716476
Niacin also, the flush stuff, I like

>>16716476
I didn't masturbated on meth, I only relieved myself after week of doing more than one cm3 daily, when I had woken up after I finaly slept. On totally full balls. Like that it didn't took hours, and was actually strong orgasm in a short while.

Maybe I'll opt in for Selank/Semax to come of AD's if I'll think its time to finish them.

>>16716492
fair. i've realised an entirely different meaning to the medical question "are you sexually active" recently

blueberries are nice, calming polyphenols (FAAH inhibition) l theanine in emergencies (effects have changed from uncomfortable stim to calming), and lysine

choline bitartrate also- interesting, vivid dreams

>>16716503

>>16716439
ssaffron gives me the closest effect to meth, notably without the aphrodisiac.

i understand when you use meth you feel like "youre back" and can resume progress from the last meth??

ive been feeling "back" since i quit it all- have to be off meds with adequate nutrients a while to reach it but i feel like im spun all the time, but im in control of libido now

>>16716533
Yes, I can start where I finished, and looking sober at that stuff my memories are blurred, however high looking at that type of stuff I solve intoxicated seems like "crystal clear".

Like now I code on AD's + AP's, and I have to read stuff to continue where I had left, without meds I just remember where I left of, also I commit more often without meds, like no lazy days...

Sometimes it even seems that I'm more focused with meds + meth, than without both, but still less than only meth. But only meth sometimes my focus is on useless stuff.

I really think maybe most optimal solution would be like half of meds I'm now on + half of meth I'm usually on, and I would be productive also in eyes of society, not only my own.

I refused pills very much, but somehow, I'm afraid of withdrawals so hard, that taking some portion of them seems more sane than quiting altogether.

Maybe slowly going of them, not at once...

>>16716548
I relate to that forced/effortless mental willpower to recite and problem-solve, i also noticed that with nicotine.

Nothing could be sustained, I can only stay on top of my life, not becoming a paypig for mental health people or drug dealers, if I remain sober

My ridgidness often gets in the way of in-person or more general verbal communication, I'm so fixated on what I'm exhibiting, what the other person is possibly thinking, i can forget the topic.. but Alone, im relaxed, can laugh, get immersed,until there's a knock at the door..

Logging off for the night

I have mild psychosis and ptsd, I am able to distinguish between my imagination and reality however.
It is annoying and difficult to see shit in my imagination that isnt there. Or think "god" talks to me in my head or through music or everything I see or hear. Or hear voices like "ooga booga the debil is going to eat you". Which never happens of course.
Have had moments of pure joy and bliss. Have also had moments of pure terror where everything looks scary. Am now skeptical of all spiritual experiences. Occasionally get hyperreligious.

>>16716755
God is jerk, I also have personal experience with god, and he is quite illiterate.

By seeing if he creates lots of threads about schizophrenia

This comment section is frying me, you don't know if someone is schizo unless they've been diagnosed by a professional, if you see questionable activities then you can assume that maybe that person might have some sort of mental issues, but most schizo people probably tell people that they have schizophrenia if they're starting to become friends with your or anything.

>>16714684 (OP)
It's a made up behaviour multidisciplinary approach for streetshitter

>>16716793
professionals are for sale

>>16714684 (OP)
Because they’ll be fucking retarded and not cognizant of economic impacts.

>>16717856
And that’s being very mild. If they weren’t raised like a fucking nigger they’d easily search for help in their environment, but it’s proof that these stupid faggots exist that educate us.

>>16714684 (OP)
Does said someone browse /sci/? There's your answer OP

>>16714684 (OP)
Paranoid hallucinations

>>16714689
>they now start making direct approaches
mfw

>>16719257
I've made like 2 posts in the thread saying that I'm schizo and that you can ask me, but been turbo ignored. Funny thing, in a thread about schizos.