Why should it be considered unethical for parents to choose the best possible outcome for their future child if they have the option? Even if you go beyond abortion, some people still get upset over such issues.

>>16717548 (OP)
Intersex individuals are exceedingly rare, probably because they are a genetic dead-end. At some level, parents naturally desire that their genetic line should continue, rather than being brought unceremoniously to extinction through defective descendants.

Because they're sitchin story lineage

>>16717596
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>>16717596
>>16717598
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>>16717548 (OP)
Omniscience, Science, Science, Ence

And But Yet A The A.G.I. Answer is 100%

>>16717548 (OP)
Keep in mind that some deaf parents want to surgically remove their child's ability to hear because the parent wants their child to join them in the "Deaf Community", which they believe is superior.

>>16717668
>some deaf parents want to surgically remove their child's ability
Would be far less unethical if they just used prenatal testing for selection don't you think?

>>16717914
Being incinerated at ground zero by a 10MT nuke is not better than being incinerated by a 100MT nuke. Intentionally making a child deaf is unethical no matter how it is achieved.

>>16717548 (OP)
>its just a clump of cells
>oh it's an oppressed identity group of a clump of cells, it must be protected

>>16717548 (OP)
I have an educated, capable relative who didn't have kids because it wouldn't have been financially responsible in her 20s. Ended up not having any. Now those genes don't proliferate. Could've contributed to the research or engineer base. Wasted.
In the same vein I have another relative who decided "we're going to wait for God to bring the judgement and have kids in his perfect world."
Same energy, same reasoning, same result. A religion not so slowly dying out, a self fulfilling prophecy in that poetic way that makes a comedy.

People have retarded and illogical decisions. No matter how smart in some way or specific area they can be, or aren't.
There's never "a good time" or a "secure way" to have kids. You either do it and create a physical proof of success, with risk of outliers, or you dont and "it" dies with you for certain.

>>16717924
>didn't have kids because it wouldn't have been financially responsible in her 20s
Quite normal for most people who do a PhD and a postdoc.

>>16717965
The "financially responsible" people have a tendency to not reproduce. Their contributions to society then have a tendency of providing increased means for the less intelligents to populate. It's a losing strategy in the exact same way as the overreligious example applying a dislogical, self fulfilling belief system leading to their own personal apocalypse.

Ultimately what I'm saying is intelligence or single-issue based, self referentially logical decision is not proof of valuable behavior. If it leads to a dissolution of the group continuance it's just suicidal.

>>16717924
It is the parent's duty to ensure their children are actually capable of thriving.
Familial support structures do not die at 18. I don't know who came up with this shit, but if it isn't obvious that you shouldn't be moving states away...
(If your kid is smart drag them kicking and screaming into knocking up/getting knocked up and married)

>>16717965
For millennia people have been having kids during wars and plagues but now it's too much because you have to read?

>>16718051
You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take, anon.

>>16718332
>now it's too much because you have to read?
In my painful experience, women do not want men who live on a postdoc contract that lasts 2 or 3 years after which you really should move, and you need 2 - 4 such contracts before you get tenure.
Reading is not a problem, everything else is.

>>16717965
But back they still managed to have kids. Now it seems almost none wants to, especially women.

>>16717548 (OP)
Well first of all the average parent is fucking retarded. This is the same as the education question. Because that's how we get shit like mormonism and veganing your infant until it dies of malnutrition is the answer. Generally Nature knows better than humans since humans apparently exist to search the devil.

>>16717924
>I have an educated, capable relative who didn't have kids because it wouldn't have been financially responsible in her 20s.
you don't have such a relative
quit your lying

>>16720338
*serve

Bump

>>16717548 (OP)
>unethical
In the relativism of our times, that is a problem in the West but a clear possibility in China. They have been open about engineering humans including super coldiers and eradicating mental illnesses by any means.

So the 10 billion dollar question is, what will the world be like when the new generation Chinese have an average IQ of 110 and in near perfect health with a life expectancy of 100 years?

>>16717548 (OP)
Its just region by region tax collection/distribution isn't it?

>>16717548 (OP)
>the best possible outcome

>>16720335
Sure, because "back then" you could go straight from PhD to tenure, later perhaps via a single postdoc contract. These days, only a small fraction get tenure, and then after many years of postdoc contracts, and out of them just a few get a well paid professorship.