Schrödinger's cat experiment does not pose a problem - change my mind! - /sci/ (#16718619) [Archived: 414 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/7/2025, 5:11:28 PM No.16718619
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According to the famous thought experiment a quantum particle (which is assumed in super position) is being measured by a quantum detector to determine wether it has decayed or not. And finally the detector will destroy a bottle of poison which will kill the cat. Now the controversy is that the coupled quantum system is in super position while the cat is not. I claim the whole assumption is wrong. How can the particle be in super position if the detector measures it continuously or frequently?
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 5:27:06 PM No.16718629
>>16718619 (OP)
as soon as you do a collision [measurement] super position ends
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 5:33:36 PM No.16718630
>>16718629
Correct. The act of measuring or obtaining information from the wave function inevitably induces its collapse.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 5:44:02 PM No.16718634
>>16718629
>>16718630
>le sophomore response
The point of the thought experiment is that this “measurement” is totally isolated from the observer (because of the “box”) so from the observer’s perspective the whole thing should be in superposition. People have no problem with this when it’s at a scale of, say, two little particles interacting (their states are now just correlated a bit). Schrodinger’s thought experiment challenges this by magnifying the 2nd particle into an IRL-sized object
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 5:58:39 PM No.16718639
>>16718634
and the whole point of s. cat is to point out that the implications of his own equations was bullshit
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 6:09:05 PM No.16718642
>>16718619 (OP)
There's no detector in the thought experiment.
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Anonymous
7/7/2025, 7:07:09 PM No.16718679
>>16718642
>there's no detector in the thought experiment
and the point of the thought experiment is that superposition is bullshit
Anonymous
7/7/2025, 8:50:04 PM No.16718750
>>16718619 (OP)
A box is closed with a perfectly balanced spinning object of unknown position. When you open the box the object stops spinning and you can measure its position. That's literally just quantum bullshit. Quantum entanglement is even stupider because it just means two boxes that start with the same position and rotate the same speed. However opening one box DOES NOT open or stop the second box. You have to open both boxes at the same time for the result to be the same.
Anonymous
7/8/2025, 12:45:36 AM No.16718964
16718750 No the box does not matter, even with the box the particle needs to be measured as it is coupled to a detector which will release poison and kill the cat once the atom has decayed. You can read it up.