/turin/ -- TURIN /SCI/ENCE GENERAL - /sci/ (#16719214) [Archived: 310 hours ago]

Simon Salva
7/8/2025, 7:58:32 AM No.16719214
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Post your best Shroud of Turin science here. /lit/erature reviews, videos, blog posts, etc.

Christ is King. Let's make a comprehensive directory of the science proving He is.
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Simon Salva
7/8/2025, 8:00:39 AM No.16719215
Some /sci/entists to look to:

- Vincenzo Ruello

- William Lauto

- Gerard Verschuuren

- Stephen E. Jones

No crackpots here. All have PhDs.
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Simon Salva
7/8/2025, 8:03:29 AM No.16719217
A key summary: https://archive.ph/41UJc
Cult of Passion
7/8/2025, 8:40:17 AM No.16719226
>>16719215
>No crackpots here.
Lol.
>All have PhDs.
Lmao. "PhD" doesnt mean what you think it means anymore.

https://www.amazon.in/Veronica-Veil-Code-Vincenzo-Ruello/dp/136561915X
Back cover; "the Vatican is refusing to make this discovery known fearing an onslaught of requests from scientists".

I cant find anything published that isnt behind the sold book itself.
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Simon Salva
7/8/2025, 8:41:17 AM No.16719228
>>16719226

Vincenzo Ruello is a genius for Christ, he has a tested IQ of 163.
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Simon Salva
7/8/2025, 8:46:30 AM No.16719231
>>16719228

Vidrel:

https://youtu.be/YZROEV-80tI?si=ltQln7dAtaeG61pu
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Cult of Passion
7/8/2025, 8:56:55 AM No.16719233
>>16719228
>Vincenzo Ruello is a genius
Then why isnt his revolutionary work in "Film Science" published?
>https://youtube.com/@realveronicaveil
From what I gather he never examined the shroud in person.
>http://www.veronica-veil.com/
Website shut down. All I can find are facebook posts made by him.
>tested IQ of 163
Cite source.
Cult of Passion
7/8/2025, 8:59:26 AM No.16719234
>>16719231
Why doesnt he show the post-processing in real time? Why doesnt he show how he photographed it? Why does he explain nothing in any of his videos?
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Simon Salva
7/8/2025, 9:07:12 AM No.16719236
>>16719234

I took a signal processing class for extra credit while I was majoring in history at UC Berkeley, so I can guess how he did it:

One possible explanation is that the frequencies of the image were taken after a filter was applied, normalized through a function, and then played as sound. At least, that's the rough idea.
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Simon Salva
7/8/2025, 9:19:14 AM No.16719241
>>16719236

I have some experience from doing hw in Overleaf, so I'm going to block out some TeX code to get the basics down:

[eqn]

R_{i,j,k}(I)=\mathrm{Channel}_k(I_{\mathrm{row} \ i,\mathrm{column} \ j})
[/eqn]
[eqn]

V_i^k=\begin{pmatrix} R_{1,i,k},...,R_{m,i,k}\end{pmatrix}

[/eqn]
m being the pixel length of [math]I[/math]

[eqn]
K_{m,n}=DFT(V_m^n)
[/eqn]

Something like this. I don't know, I'm a bit rusty.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 9:23:30 AM No.16719242
>>16719241
what the fuck is that latex code, you really are stupid spic
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Cult of Passion
7/8/2025, 9:25:34 AM No.16719243
>>16719236
>I can guess
>One possible explanation
Marvelous.
>then played as sound
Totally irrellevent to the scientific report.

>>16719215
>William Lauto
>"Hypothetical Transpirable Time From Death on the Cross to the Resurrection"
>"hypothetically concludes Jesus probably gave up his Spirit before the reported ninth hour or 3pm."
This is irrelevent specifications to banal factoids that doesnt change the important points of the event. When "scientists" over emphisize on minute details I question foundational parts of the theory.

>>16719241
>a bunch of equations that isnt an infared photograph of the shroud in person
The shroud is East but you are pointing West.
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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 9:25:50 AM No.16719244
>>16719242
this is awful notation, be ashamed spic
Simon Salva
7/8/2025, 9:34:44 AM No.16719250
>>16719241

Could it be something like this for row i?

[eqn]
\frac{|K_{i,1}|+|K_{i,2}|+|K_{i,3}|}{3}
[/eqn]
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Simon Salva
7/8/2025, 9:36:27 AM No.16719251
>>16719250

Shit, wait, forgot K is a sequence of complex numbers...

[eqn]
\sum_{g=1}^m(\frac{|K_{i,1}(g)|+|K_{i,2}(g)|+|K_{i,3}|}{3}(g))
[/eqn]

Could explain the weird erratic sounds.
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Simon Salva
7/8/2025, 9:39:01 AM No.16719252
>>16719251

Meant to write in in the last pair of abs brackets, oops..

>>16719243

>Totally irrellevent to the scientific report.

Relevant to the vid. >>16719231

>This is irrelevent specifications to banal factoids that doesnt change the important points of the event. When "scientists" over emphisize on minute details I question foundational parts of the theory.

Fallacious argument.

>>>16719241
>
>>a bunch of equations that isnt an infared photograph of the shroud in person
>
>The shroud is East but you are pointing West.

????
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Cult of Passion
7/8/2025, 9:56:36 AM No.16719260
>>16719252
>Fallacious
Years of pouring over sceintific documents and noticing a pattern of behavior in unscienfic approaches.

...what was you PhD in? Another "Film Scientist"?

>Relevant to the vid.
TOTALLY IREELEVENT TO THE SHROUD OF TURIN'S OPTICAL DATA.
>????
YOUR HYPOTHETICAL MATHEMATICAL EQUATIONS HAVE NO BEARING ON THE SHROUD'S PHYSICAL EVIDENCE.

You seem to think youre a scientist of some kind...you are not. Take your crackpots and go back to /x/.

>>>/x/40676521
Let ke know when you arrive.. I'll exchange my graduation cap for a mitre.
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Cult of Passion
7/8/2025, 9:59:19 AM No.16719262
>>16719252
>Fallacious argument.
"...but the science is insufficient to provide an exact time. Faith on the other hand affords us the number forty to work with for our calculations..."

Fallacious science.
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Simon Salva
7/8/2025, 10:00:47 AM No.16719263
>>16719260

Then WHAT DO YOU WANT AN EXPLANATION FOR WRT THE SOUND CLIP VINCENZO PRODUCED?!?
Simon Salva
7/8/2025, 10:02:41 AM No.16719265
>>16719260

>pee eych dee

I only ever got a Master's, and that was in history.

I never said I was a scientist.

>...you are not.

I know.

>Yearrs [sic] of poring [sic] over sceintific documents and noticing a patern [sic] of behavior in unscienfic [sic] approaches.

Really? How do they apply here?
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Cult of Passion
7/8/2025, 10:04:00 AM No.16719266
>>16719262
>Fallacious science.
"...we have an estimated answer based upon faith and the reverent number of 40."

"Reverent" rigor. As a Numerologist, I understand this, but its "loose" because Meta-Physics implies forces known *&* unknown and Science is removing all other factors for a singular, repeatable, and absolute measure.
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Cult of Passion
7/8/2025, 10:06:13 AM No.16719268
>>16719265
>[sic]
>[sic]
>[sic]
>[sic]
Youre a Judasite. Youre actively overriding the truth for ensure your ego-based idol is confirmed out of self appeal.

>I never said I was a scientist.
Then why are you trying to peer review one?
Cult of Passion
7/8/2025, 10:07:27 AM No.16719271
>>16719265
>How do they apply here?
By being proven right.
>>16719262
>>16719266
If you dont comprehend why these posts are damning then, unironically, GO TO ANOTHER BOARD.
Cult of Passion
7/8/2025, 11:34:54 AM No.16719326
P.S. Kike is cuck. Satan is King.
Simon Salva
7/8/2025, 8:50:40 PM No.16719716
FACT.

The VP8 image analyzer's raw elevation data from the Shroud of Turin had the highest correlation to that of a human form out of 1.9M images from LAION-5B.
Simon Salva
7/8/2025, 8:56:13 PM No.16719719
I and J are images of the same dimension. We label their pixels with coordinates from 1 to their w/h.

[math]
\mathrm{Corr}(I,J)=\sum_{m=1,n=1}^{w,h}1-\frac{\mathrm{TaxicabNorm}({\mathrm{px}_{mn}(I)-\mathrm{px} _{mn}(J)})}{\sqrt{3\cdot255^2}}
[/math]
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Simon Salva
7/8/2025, 8:57:32 PM No.16719720
>>16719719
>I and J are images of the same dimension. We label their pixels with coordinates from 1 to their w/h.
[math]
\mathrm{Corr}(I,J)=\sum_{m=1,n=1}^{w,h}1-\frac{\mathrm{TaxicabNorm}({\mathrm{px}_{mn}(I)-\mathrm{px} _{mn}(J)})}{3\cdot255}
[/math]*
Simon Salva
7/9/2025, 4:02:52 AM No.16720076
Bump.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:46:00 AM No.16720108
based. bump.
Simon Salva
7/10/2025, 7:17:58 AM No.16720946
Atheists are science deniers. Science proves Christ is King.
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Simon Salva
7/10/2025, 11:04:19 PM No.16721466
>>16720946

FACT.
Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:45:22 PM No.16721493
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>>16719214 (OP)

The Shroud's story, so far as it can be reconstructed, begins in 1354. That's when it was reportedly first displayed in the new church in Lirey, a small village in north-central France.

There was a thriving trade in fake relics at the time, items originating in the Levant often sold to wealthy Catholics. The Dean of Lirey, from whom the Shroud was confiscated in 1354, was himself using it to con people out of money.

In 1389, the local bishop, Pierre d’Arcis, denounced the shroud as a fake. He received a confession from the author of the hoax, and an explanation of how he created the image, using thinned red ochre paint.

This was corroborated in 1978 by Walter McCrone, a microscopist and forensic expert, who examined samples from the shroud's surface. He concluded that the image was painted with a thinned-out red ochre pigment in a gelatin base. He also believed the apparent bloodstains were painted on, using vermilion pigment, also in a gelatin medium.

In 1988 three separate labs performed radiocarbon dating, and they all pinpointed the shroud's age to sometime in the Middle Ages, specifically between 1260 and 1390. This was later contested by a long string of hopeful apologists, funding their own experiments.
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 11:46:30 PM No.16721494
>>16721493

One such test in 2022 was carried out by an Italian scientist named Liberato De Caro. He and his team from the Institute of Crystallography in Bari, Italy, looked at the Shroud using a new method called wide-angle X-ray scattering. His paper suggests that the Turin Shroud actually dates back 2,000 years, putting it right around the time Jesus is said to have lived.

He and his team of researchers believe the cellulose in the Shroud's fibers has aged very, very slowly since the 14th century, thanks to the cooler temperatures in the rooms where it was kept. This, they argue, means that most of the Shroud's aging happened before the 1300s.

"The degree of natural aging of the cellulose that constitutes the linen of the investigated sample, obtained by X-ray analysis, showed that the [Turin Shroud] fabric is much older than the seven centuries proposed by the 1988 radiocarbon dating," De Caro and his team wrote.

However, the authors are quick to point out that their conclusions only hold up if future research can prove the relic was kept safely at an average room temperature of about 22°C (71.6 °F) with around 55 percent humidity for 1,300 years before it showed up in historical records.

That would be an impressively consistent, dedicated level of long-term care. If the early church had taken and preserved his shroud with a miraculous image of Christ's form on it, it's very unlikely they would’ve neglected to mention it in any of the early church fathers’ plentiful writings.

https://medievalshroud.com/
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Simon Salva !tMhYkwTORI
7/11/2025, 11:35:14 PM No.16722294
>>16721493

>>16721494

Blasphemous bullshit.
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Anonymous
7/12/2025, 12:00:19 AM No.16722319
>>16722294
The Shroud is blasphemous, I agree.
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Simon Salva !tMhYkwTORI
7/13/2025, 10:32:38 AM No.16723385
>>16722319

No.
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Cult of Passion
7/13/2025, 3:09:30 PM No.16723486
>>16723385
>https://youtu.be/C58C8U_3WPM
15:53...listen, and become.

Lying for Jesus is Judas.