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Anonymous
7/8/2025, 3:39:15 PM No.16719507
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Do we really need natural biodiversity? If we really need biodiversity we can just use genetic engineering to replace it. We could even replace it with real life pokemon much prettier and cuter than anything nature had.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:32:24 AM No.16720152
>>16719507 (OP)
Cuter, smarter, and more fuckable too. I would much rather have animal life I can breed with than these meandering Earth has now.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 8:34:52 AM No.16720155
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>>16719507 (OP)
Cuter, smarter, and more fuckable too. I would much rather have animal life I can breed with than these meandering corpses Earth has now.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 9:22:48 AM No.16720183
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 10:13:44 AM No.16720210
>>16719507 (OP)
>Do we really need natural biodiversity?
Define "need". We don't really "need" anything except for water, food, sleep, shelter and someone to fuck to make kids. From a purely utilitarian standpoint biodiversity is very valueable because it leads to creation of a lot of unique compounds with unique properties and a lot of these are essential to how modern society functions and they can inspire development of even better compounds. Opiates are a solid example, they're essential for analgesia/anesthesia and we also developed synthetic, stronger compounds that wouldn't exist if we didn't have opiates as a reference. It's kinda like a biochemical lottery.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 11:28:23 AM No.16720241
>>16719507 (OP)
'Biodiversity' is a snowman and midwit take at best.
The best metric for a healthy ecosystem is: 'Natural'. This is because the natural state represents the best performing state available, natural selection and evolution have proven this and created this natural state. Antrophogenic changes we consider 'unnatural' happen on a far too small timescale for evolution to bring the neccessary adaptions.
'Biodiversity' is not an inherently natural concept. If it was the best indicator we would not have species, every individual would be entirely different than everything it is related to.
Instead biodiversity seems to be successfull to a certain degree. Which we naturally observe.
An example:
Trees in my area are naturally Fagus Sylvatica. Almost everywhere. Those trees will dominate everything, except for isolated and small areas where conditions are vastly unusual for the area. In those areas you'll find other trees. Beeches being so overly dominant and only existing in monocultures in my area goes back to the beeches strategy and adaption to this strategy. Beeches block out alot of light, year round, they mulch the ground heavily and are able to grow up in a deficit of light themselves.
Man has long ago cut down the majority of trees in my area and the mainstream 'eco activist' seem not to take offence with the millenia old clearings. Those same types also constantly push for 'biodiversity' and actions usually follow their words and they start forcing their ideas onto the remaining forested areas by planting all sorts of trees that will predictably never establish any permanent foothold for the above reasons and if they did they are probably invasive and more of a reason for concern than anything.
Long story short: Monocultures, especially local monocultures, are a perfectly natural thing and mantras like 'diversity' hardly ever signify a nuanced and ibformed take on any matter.
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Anonymous
7/9/2025, 2:55:38 PM No.16720339
>>16720241
Retarded strawman, if you select a spot at a specific scale with one species then by definition it has low biodiversity. You can gerrymander the meaning of anything if you're a stupid asshole.
Anonymous
7/9/2025, 5:18:49 PM No.16720459
>>16720210
But, is it really worth the cost of preserving it? With more economic development we could find better ways to make drugs that don't require a natural reference. Perhaps drug development techniques could get so much better than just copying nature becomes obsolete.
>lottery
A lottery is just gambling, we can do better than just gambling
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Anonymous
7/10/2025, 2:54:24 PM No.16721220
>>16720459
>But, is it really worth the cost of preserving it?
I'd say so, yes.
>With more economic development we could find better ways to make drugs that don't require a natural reference. Perhaps drug development techniques could get so much better than just copying nature becomes obsolete.
I think you're vastly overestimating how feasible it is to create entirely unique compounds from scratch with no reference. Fact of the matter is, there are some, but the vast majority of compounds we make use of are still either natural or inspired by them. If you want an example on a very large scale - have you ever wondered by we still cultivate crops and plants to produce food, rather than synthesising it at a lab? It's because plants are just this fucking good at converting inorganic to organic. We simply cannot come up with a more cost-effective system. Not yet, at least.
>A lottery is just gambling, we can do better than just gambling
It's not really gambling if the expected value is positive. If I made you flip a coin and paid you $2 for heads but took only $1 for tails, you'd be flippling that coin 24/7.