Is veganism good for you?

Shooting ropes

>>16720857 (OP)
Why does she look happier on the right?

>>16720857 (OP)
It's called drugs and body dysmorphia

>>16720857 (OP)
Yes, if done correctly.

Poor vegan diet < poor omnivore diet < good vegan diet < good omnivore diet (pescetarianism)

>>16720857 (OP)
I went through a brief phase of perusing vegan YouTube and watching them all noticeably die.
I'd say it's not very good for you.

>>16720861
Because she can't move her face and that is the general amiable expression the technician designed for her.

No. God commands you to eat meat.

>>16720952
It doesn’t explain for why she is literally happier in a cognitive behavior standpoint.

That's not veganism, that's a number of surgeries (buccal fat removal, nosejob, lip filler, botox, retardplasty) + ozempic + SSRI's

>>16720954
She is an actress who has had extra decades of acting lessons to how to pretend to be happy in public.

>>16720857 (OP)
Depends heavily on how you do it, but generally yes.

>>16720959
Sounds like something a fascist would love

I've looked into this before, actually. Everybody says veganism is unhealthy, but India, for instance, historically practiced it quite a bit, and I've learned some things from research.

>vegans are b12 deficient
Vitamin B12 is produced by the microbes inhabiting the soil plants are grown in. One can get sufficient b12 simply by not washing vegetables as well as modern industrial farms do. Furthermore, most produce in western countries is irradiated to kill off any microbes on the produce. This has a secondary effect of removing any probiotics on the vegetables which produce B12.

>vegans are deficient in other vitamins and nutrients
This is true in modern industrialized societies. This isn't because they're vegans though, it's because the nutrient levels in all produce has rapidly declined over the past 100 years. One cannot simply sustain themselves on the shit produce supermarkets pump out, but in other places, like India, with different agricultural practices there's sufficient nutrient levels in the produce to survive.

So yeah, basically industrial society has made it impossible to be vegetarian/vegan, but that doesn't make it unhealthy, and it's probably healthier overall if agriculture weren't the way it is.

>>16721002
I thought the historical practice in India was lacto-vegetarianism, not veganism.

>>16721003
You cannot sustain yourself in industrialized societies even with including dairy. I'm sure veganism was practiced somewhere in India, but I'm not too knowledgeable on it.

30 people died because of her.

man that is some scary shit, like who the in the fuck would think that is beautiful. shit looks like a butt

>>16721037
go jerk to taylor "aryan jew" swift you pathetic mutt

Getting raped by rich pedophile kikes when you're 12 isn't good for you.

>>16721002
>Everybody says veganism is unhealthy, but India, for instance, historically practiced it quite a bit, and I've learned some things from research.
India doesn't practice veganism, they have above average percentage of vegeterians, but even then they also have an above average rate of cardiovascular disease so if anything they're an argument against vegetarianism, or more reasonably they're decent proof that a plant based diet isn't inherently healthy if it's still full of refined carbs and oils low in O3. Indian vegetarianism isn't about eating a lot of fresh vegetables and fruit, it's about eating huge loads of grains fried in oil.

>>16721052
>or more reasonably they're decent proof that a plant based diet isn't inherently healthy if it's still full of refined carbs and oils low in O3.
Yes and my point is that modern industrial agriculture has reduced nutrient densities. Foods high in refined carbs and oils are inherently low in nutrients. Besides, this isn't even proof veganism isn't healthy, since while veganism might be supply enough nutrients it's low in protein, which India is still an agricultural nation dependent on human labor. I'm sure you can put two and two together. Again this is just an indicator of how industrialized their agriculture is.

From everything I've seen it's possible to be vegan and not be nutritionally deficient. It's just you basically can't eat anything produced in supermarkets.

>>16720857 (OP)
right one:
- no nose swell
- more refined facial features
- skin looks more rosy and smooth
- overall more elegant look
idk the right one looks more attractive to me and I currently have only been vegan for 3 days now

>>16721069
kill yourself you fucking jew

>>16721073
>Someone entered my thread to disagree with what I posted, and now I am mad. How could that be happening to me??

>>16720857 (OP)
>>16721073
>>16721083
There's always been a lot more wrong with this bitch than being vegan. No doubt getting molested and fucked by Dan schneider gave her body dysmorphia and is why she's bogged to shit at this point.

>>16721086
most italo americans are deranged

>>16720857 (OP)
Veganism is slow starvation.
Vegetarianism can be safe IF you incorporate a lot of eggs and dairy into your diet. Even better is if you also eat fish, and of course the best diet is to eat plenty of meat, unbound by unscientific moralizing ideologies.

Veganism is a destructive mental illness.

>>16721066
>Besides, this isn't even proof veganism isn't healthy, since while veganism might be supply enough nutrients it's low in protein
Protein is not a big concern. If you're not lifting you only need about 1 g of protein per kg of body weight per day to maintain a healthy body, it's not hard to hit 60-90ish grams of proteins with a reasonable amount of legumes. If you allow vegan protein powders, it becomes trivial. And before some autist starts screaming about bioavailability or aminoacids, you can easily have a complete aminoacid profile from vegan sources, you just need to add a bit of rice to legumes, onions is complete by itself, etc. It would be a big concern in a natural environment where you can't find canned beans all year round, which is why we're omnivores, but that's besides the point.

The bigger issue is micros. B12, iron, calcium and iodine, mostly. These are hard to have in sufficent qualities without artifical supplementation.

>Yes and my point is that modern industrial agriculture has reduced nutrient densities.
This is true to a degree. Iodine for example can be found in plants if the soil is rich in it, but these days the soil used in industrial agriculture is rather deficent. The way this is commonly solved is adding iodine to salt. Either way, you can solve all micros problems with supplementation.

>It's just you basically can't eat anything produced in supermarkets.
Supermarkets are just outlets. Most of the shit in them will understandably be made to be cost effective for nutritionally ignorant consumer that doesn't care about anything but yummy/cost ratio, which means refined carbs, HFCS, etc. Go to the whole foods section, read labels and you will be fine.

>>16720953
Actual good advice from a namefag is unheard of, but since that is likely your actual name, this explains why you would be an exception.

>>16721079
You have sealed your fate, you and all the women in your social circle including any future children will start to metamorphosize into something resembling that thing on the right starting today.

>>16721145
It would be so cool if you were actually able to magically make people healthy and more beautiful like you claim to do for me and my social circle.
If only your powers were real.

>>16721158
Time will tell. Enjoy the ride.

>>16721160
2 more weeks

>>16721158
The only quality you mentioned that has anything to do with health is smoother skin, but you can't even see her skin as it is very obviously covered with at least 3 layers of brightly colored mud.

>>16721162
If that is all you expect of your remaining lifetime, you will still get to see the consequences of your actions in the afterlife.

>>16721163
no nose swell is also a sign of health
and I never took the makeuppill so I can't tell if it is her real skin or if she fancied it up

>>16721164
maan... this start to getting to retarded even for me

>>16721166
No, that is just superficial and you must be pretty retarded if you think emaciated cheeks are naturally shaded in colorful lines kind of like a rainbow like hers are.

>>16721167
doubtful since too retarded seems like your comfort zone

>>16721169
> that is just superficial
doubt
>emaciated cheeks are naturally shaded in colorful lines
I am not sure, maybe the lack of facial fat makes the color of the blood in little blood vessels more visible on the cheeks.
blood under the skin can have many different colors from rosy to red to yellowish green blue and black
you should not talk so confidently about things you don't understand, lest you be taken for an idiot

>>16721170
i want to belive

>>16721172
Don't worry after the other part of your post, everyone else is fully convinced that too retarded is your comfort zone.

>>16721175
so true king

>>16720857 (OP)
>Is veganism good for you?

Avoid those who will not eat bacon.

>>16720980
>fascist bogeyman out of nowhere

>>16721089
>the best diet is to eat plenty of meat,
no evidence supports this

>>16721130
>iron, calcium and iodine, mostly. These are hard to have in sufficent qualities without artifical supplementation.
this is not even true, getting those from plant foods is easy as fuck

>>16721260
>iron
RDA for premenopausal women is around 18 mg of heme iron. The recommended intake of non-heme iron is x1.8, so around 33 mg. This is roughly a kilogram of lentils. This isn't easy and just try to imagine the farts.
>calcium
RDA around 1000 mg. Without fortified foods which are essentialy supplementation, many greens that have decent calcium content also contain oxalates that limit absorbtion. You'd need to eat about 2 kilograms of broccoli to meet that, on top of that 1 kg of lentils eariler. Have fun.
>iodine
RDA 150 micrograms. I will admit this is easy peasy with seaweed, it's actually easy to overdose. Without it, it's a bit of a gamble because it all depends on the soil, but you can assume soil is iodine deficent these days. Maybe 4 potatoes would be enough. Maybe you'd actually need 10. It's impossible to tell.

>>16720857 (OP)
Every study on the topic show veganism and pescetarianism to be the healthiest diets. Red meat is not good for you.

>>16721179
I love bacon, I just won't eat the kind that's made from an animal.

she got called back to the mothership

>>16720857 (OP)
ayyy lmao

>>16720857 (OP)
it never was.

>>16720884
>if done correctly.
This is the issue with veganism. You have to plan shit. Being omnivorous you don't have to plan shit.

>>16723060
Lots of Americans absolutely eat shitty terrible omnivorous diets.

>>16721314
So why do they all look like ghouls?

that's not veganism

>>16723222
LMAO

>>16723222
Women undergoing strange cosmetic surgery because it's comfortable and none of your business

>>16723222
Imagine being a rich Stacy and botching yourself.

>>16723060
You have to plan shit for optimal results with both, the average omnivore diet today is still terrible, it's just not deficent in anything to the point of dropping dead on the spot.

>>16720884
the average vegan ends up selling their soul for better health to gain adaptability of the vegan diet or whatever you wanna call it lmfao

veganism is shit you dont get animal creatine which allows for better absorption of calcium in your bones for higher bone density which is a major problem for vegans lmao

>>16724533
animal protein*

>>16723222
Is this part of the ritual to bring back the bogs?

>>16724581
>She bought?
>Gude, initiate ze buccal fat removal

>>16724533
>>16724534
>animal protein allows better absorption of calcium
If we're considering only proteins, you're in fact wrong. Animal proteins contain more phosphorus, which lowers calcium absorption through formation of calcium-phosphate complexes. If we were to contain pure protein products, like whey vs. vegan protein powders, the latter would allow for more calcium absorption.

What you're probably thinking of is calcium-binding compounds found in many plant foods, such as oxalates and phytates found in leafy greens. This is a concern indeed, but one that is easily fixable with calcium fortication. That many vegans don't supplement their calcium well enough is true, but the average omnivore doesn't even know what a calorie is so it's a moot point. You need to educated yourself to make either good, omnivore is just less likely to have heavy deficencies that can kill you in the short term if you're clueless, which was the original point.

It's clear you have only rudimentary understanding of nutrition, maybe try reading a book between sets.

>>16724887
>contain
consider*

>>16720857 (OP)
vegan food produces less co2 emissions, so 'yes'.

>>16720857 (OP)
>Is veganism good for you?
No, it has tons of nutrient defficiencies and is bad for you.
I can proove it easily : What do Health institutions all around the world agree on when comes to veganism?
If you answered "Banned for pregnant women and children" then you answered right.

If it's bad for children and pregnant women, then it's bad for you, full stop.
Vegan children are 5 to 10 cm ( 2 to 4 inches) shorter on average and 5 to 10 IQ points lower than normal children.

The proof speaks for itself.

my grandma and uncle are starving themselves to death because of this bullshit
they are literally wasting away, fucking skeletons who are exhausted all the time with zero muscle
for absolutely no reason at all besides some stupid ass fucking doctors and other "authority" figures in nutrition/medicine telling them its healthy
when arguing against it if they cant prove that its healthier they resort to saying its about being empathetic for the animals
vegans are fucking demented

>>16721002
>Vitamin B12 is produced by the microbes inhabiting the soil plants are grown in. One can get sufficient b12 simply by not washing vegetables as well as modern industrial farms do. Furthermore, most produce in western countries is irradiated to kill off any microbes on the produce. This has a secondary effect of removing any probiotics on the vegetables which produce B12.
you're a fucking retard, humans cannot get b12 from bacteria producing it in their own bodies. b12 is mostly absorbed in the stomach, not in the colon where the bacteria reside and not even hardly in the fucking small intestine

>>16723060
Just drink huel

>>16723222
kravitz looks mildly better. it only works for certain facial structures.

>>16720857 (OP)
she looks like she aged 40 years

>>16725122
>Vegan children are 5 to 10 cm ( 2 to 4 inches) shorter on average and 5 to 10 IQ points lower than normal children.
Genuinely curious, what's your source for this?

>>16721306
You'd need to eat about 2 kilograms of broccoli to meet that, on top of that 1 kg of lentils eariler. Have fun.
You're being disingenous. A kilogram of boiled lentils, which is roughly half a kg of dry lentils, has about 33g iron. But you don't need to get all your iron from one food. But sticking with mainly lentils, you could, for example, do half a kg of cooked lentils (so 250g dry), 150g firm tofu, 200g cooked broccoli and green peas each, and 50g cashews, and you'll get about 29g of iron for about 1300 calories. This will also provide about 100g of protein and take care of all your micronutrients except vitamin A (and B12 of course). So add some carrots or sweet potato, some fats, and then whatever you want depending on hunger and activity levels.

It's not difficult get all your micros even without supplementing beyond B12, but then again, there's no reason not to just pop a multi and take a more relaxed approach.

>>16725399
>You'd need to eat about 2 kilograms of broccoli to meet that, on top of that 1 kg of lentils eariler. Have fun.
Fucked up the quote. Also forgot to mention, if you pick the right kind of tofu (prepared with calcium sulfate), this will also provide 100% of your RDA of calcium. But calcium is a non-issue anyway, as even without deliberate supplementation, you'd probably be drinking some fortified plant milk.

>>16725399
>You're being disingenous.
I don't see how. I'm not saying a vegan diet has to be deficent or impossible, but getting all your micros is somewhat diffcult compared to an omnivore diet, requiring a lot more planning, preparation, volume of food eaten and sufficently adavanced technology&infrastructure.
>you could, for example, do half a kg of cooked lentils (so 250g dry), 150g firm tofu, 200g cooked broccoli and green peas each, and 50g cashews, and you'll get about 29g of iron for about 1300 calories
This is still a lot of volume.

>>16725407
Fortified foods ARE deliberate supplementation. That the supplements were pre-added to plant milk at the factory doesn't change that they are in fact supplements. Calcium in fortifed foods typically comes from rock minerals. This doesn't make a vegan diet any less viable today in the 1st world, but it does highlight how problematic calcium (and, by extent, vegan diet in general) would be without modern, technologically advanced infrastructure. What do you do when you live in a bumfuck nowhere village with no grocery store?

>>16720857 (OP)
No.

>>16725417
>What do you do when you live in a bumfuck nowhere village with no grocery store?
Nettles grow everywhere and contain a shitload of nutrients, inclunding calcium. They're also high in vitamin C, which helps with absorbtion, tho they do contain a lot of oxalates. I'm not sure what proportion of those is soluble, but the usual methods should help to some degree. If you're able to find a small gypsum deposit (calcium sulfate dihydrate), a fairly common mineral, you're all set as its safe to consume and water soluble. As a last resort, join the wildlife at the local mineral licks and hope for the best.

Obviously in a wilderness survival situation the omnivore has a massive advantage, and I'm not denying that veganism would be fairly inconvenient outside of modern societies in general, but it's not as totally impractible as sometimes claimed either. Primitive agricultural societies could make it work if they really wanted to.

>>16725461
>Nettles grow everywhere and contain a shitload of nutrients, inclunding calcium. They're also high in vitamin C, which helps with absorbtion, tho they do contain a lot of oxalates.
That is the problem, a lot of plant foods are actually very rich in calcium, but the oxalate content makes it absorb really poorly. Spinach has an absorption rate below 5%, kale which is pretty low in oxalates is around 50ish. I'm not sure about nettles, but you'd probably have to eat a lot still.

Though to be fair I'd probably be more worried about B12, modern supplements are synthesized by bacteria in industrial tanks, require filtration, purification, etc. Without modern tech the only ways i see is fermentation, unwashed veggies and maybe even straight up eating dirt.

>>16720857 (OP)
100% good for my profits.

>>16724887
shut the fuck up
>Cohort studies examining the direct relation between dietary protein and bone health in older adults support an overall positive relation, where higher protein intake has been linked with less bone loss over time
phosphorus my ass you are taking one chemical that is in meat to strawman the entire animal protein effect on bone density
fucking retard
>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4180248/

>>16725545
Animal protein increases muscle mass when there’s more strain on your bone then it increases density lmao

>>16724887
Fucking poo hindshithead using ChatGPT without any fucking knowledge of nutrition or intuition of physiology

>>16725545
>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4180248/
Anon you seem to be struggling with reading comprehension. I said that there isn't anything inherent to plant proteins themselves in isolation that limits absorption, oxalates do. That the average diet richer in animal protein results in better bone density doesn't imply that the animal protein itself allows better absorption of the calcium. To make that conclusion you would need to test people who have consumed both proteins without confounding factors like oxalates, that is you would have to put them on protein powder only diets for a significant period of time and then compare the results. Can you guess what the difference between a vegan eating a lot of spinach and one eating a lot of plant protein powder would be? Can you name the exact element/compounds/whatever that plant proteins themselves contain that limits absorption of calcium.

That you do not understand variable isolation and simple nuance makes me question why you're even on /sci/.

>>16725546
>intuition of physiology
Lmao, are you one of those intuitive eating fatties?

>>16720937
>>16721089
you sure about that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEmU_bRZvnE
>>16720953
shalom!
>>16723063
picrel looks like ghouls to you?
>>16725122
>If you answered "Banned for pregnant women and children" then you answered right.
source?
ask any doctor on the planet what a good diet consists of and they will tell you to eat mostly vegetables and plants.

>>16721002
>don't eat animals, eat their shit

>>16725652
mostly plants =/= vegan or even vegetarian diet
Fact: There have been and there still are peoples that eat almost exclusively carnivore food and do just fine as a people health wise. There has never been a single vegan society.

Vegansexuals are annoying and steak is delicious

>>16725650
I never mentioned oxalates you fucking poo streets shitting low caste faggot

>>16725770
i don't see how mostly plants =/= vegetarian
>There has never been a single vegan society
not sure about fully vegan but:
buddhist groups. nazi germany. the cathars. pre-colonial india, the yayoi.
fact: whenever a successful vegetarian/vegan society arises, people like you try to destroy it

>>16726239
Because mostly plants means just that. Mostly. 1/3 of your food can still be meat or animal products. Therefore if a doctor tells you to eat mostly plants, he is not telling you to go vegetarian and especially not vegan.

>not sure about fully vegan
Then you have nothing. There has NEVER been a successful vegan population. Humans are not made to eat no animal products at all.

>NAZI Germany
No, just no. I am German.
>Buddhist groups
Monks, you mean? Religious sects are a possible exception. But they exist within the framework of larger society and are not their own cultures. Notably that means that cults receive new members from amongst the adult population and do not have to propagate themselves via child rearing. Which is lucky for such cults because St. Benedikt already recommended a vegetarian/vegan diet for monks who had trouble keeping their vows of chastity. I.e. veganism was already known to lower t levels.
In the case of buddhist monks it is very common for young buddhists to spend a few years in a temple as a monk and then leave the temple again. A B12 deficiency for instance can take years to develop, since the body stores some B12 over years. I also highly doubt that buddhist monks follow a vegan diet instead of a far more sustainable vegetarian one.

>whenever a successful vegetarian/vegan society arises, people like you try to destroy it
The fuck you talking about? Do you think r/vegan counts as a succesful vegan society? You can't even give one example of a vegan society from all of human history and you think people go out of their way to knock them down? Get a grip.

>>16725389
>source
There's a few. Here are the ones on height :
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10934552
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33740036/
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2792/rr
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2021/jun/vegan-diets-children-may-bring-heart-benefits-pose-growth-risks
https://www.unisa.edu.au/unisanews/2021/july/story3

Here are the ones on IQ :
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1790759/
https://www.patientcareonline.com/view/high-iq-children-vegetarians-and-vegans
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200127-how-a-vegan-diet-could-affect-your-intelligence

>>16725652
>source?
>ask any doctor on the planet what a good diet consists of and they will tell you to eat mostly vegetables and plants.
Are you being retarded on purpose or do you genuinely don't know?
Do you not understand the term "omnivore"?
The optimal diet for humans is to eat both animal products and plants/vegetables.
Yes, fiber is good for you, especially your gut microbiome, but plants are not nearly as nutritious as animal products.

Doing some digging, most health institutions are pussies and just talk about how you should "avoid nutrittional defficiencies" when pregnant or when children are young, but don't explicitely specify Veganism, although they do mention "restrictive diets" in general.

NHS :
https://www.nhs.uk/pregnancy/keeping-well/vegetarian-or-vegan-and-pregnant/

WHO :
https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/380666/9789240080591-eng.pdf

Italian Health authorities
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5084016/

Danish guidelines
https://djog.org/index.php/djog/article/download/43/25

I hope that's enough sources.
If this is your first time talking about nutrition and diets, just know that's there's plenty of micronutrients and also some macronutrients like protein that vegans are defficient in, unless they "cheat" by taking nutritional supplements.

Pro tip : If you have a restrictive diet and need to take supplements to stay heathy, then that diet itself is not healthy.

Here's a short list of the well documented defficiencies of the Vegan diet
- Vitamin B12
- Iron and heme-iron
- Vitamin D
- Calcium
- Omega 3
- Iodine
- Zinc
- Selenium
- Full protein / Protein quality.
Also in case you didn't know, there is such a thing called "protein quality", which is a measure of when sources of protein have complete or incomplete protein
100g of animal protein is much better than 100g of plant protein.
They are not equal.
Vegans need to mix and match protein sources to try to recreate the quality of animal protein.
That's how far it goes.

>>16726572
>Health institutions all around the world agree veganism is banned for pregnant women and children
>source?
>uh well actually none of them ban or otherwise say you shouldn't be vegan, they just tell you to make sure you're not deficent in anything and offer helpful tips on how to avoid deficencies on a vegan diet specifically
>also supplements are cheating because reasons
lol

>Also in case you didn't know, there is such a thing called "protein quality", which is a measure of when sources of protein have complete or incomplete protein
Protein being complete is just a term for having all nine essential amino acids.
>Vegans need to mix and match protein sources to try to recreate the quality of animal protein.
That's how far it goes.
Legumes for example lack methionine and cysteine, while rice has both of those but lacks lysine. Plain rice with beans is already a complete protein source. This really went very far lmao

>>16726698
>I didn't actually read the sources LOLOLOL
Okay retard.
Maybe read the sources next time before chatting shit.
Just because these leftist-minded health institutions don't want to outright attack vegans doesn't mean it's not factually true that veganism is not recommended for children and pregnant women.

Since you're being such a cunt, here's a collection of direct quotes from Institutions about how kids shouldn't be put on a vegan diet :
>-"A vegan diet is not recommended for infants, children, and adolescents due to the risk of nutritional deficiencies that are inevitable in the absence of supplementation and dietary monitoring. Such deficiencies can have serious consequences, especially during early periods of growth and neurological development."
Source - French Society of Pediatrics:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0929693X19301368

"Vegan, but not vegetarian, diets can restrict growth relative to omnivorous children and increase the risk of being stunted and underweight... Bone mineral content is reduced in...vegan children, compared to omnivores."
The same review highlights a high risk of deficiencies in protein, calcium, vitamin D, iodine, zinc, iron, and omega-3 fatty acids in vegan children not using supplements"
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10934552/

Cambridge :
"Case histories of malnutrition and serious harm persist, including irreversible neurological damage due to vitamin B12 deficiency among un-supplemented vegan children... Professional supervision...is required due to the high risk of inadequate intakes of protein, iron, zinc, calcium, vitamin D and DHA"
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/proceedings-of-the-nutrition-society/article/risks-and-benefits-of-vegan-and-vegetarian-diets-in-children/A8539A11838C49A98FAF2DB2C6EE0AF2

cont.

>>16726698
>>16726716
Since you're being an absolute cunt I'm going to burry you with these facts.

University of South Australia
>"Vegan children had an increased risk of nutritional deficiencies. They were more likely to have lower levels of vitamin B12, calcium, vitamin D and iron in their diet. Children on vegan diets had about 5% lower bone mineral content and were on average 3 cm shorter in height"
https://www.unisa.edu.au/unisanews/2021/july/story3

>"Vegan children show remarkable metabolic differences compared to omnivores...Their serum total, HDL and LDL cholesterol, essential amino acid, and docosahexaenoic n‐3 fatty acid (DHA) levels were markedly low...a possible combination of low vitamin A and DHA status raises concern for their visual health"
https://www.embopress.org/doi/full/10.15252/emmm.202013492

Is this enough proof or do you need more you absolute söy faggot?

>Protein being complete is just a term for having all nine essential amino acids.
Congrats, you know the basics of protein quality.
So you understand how plant proteins are of much lower quality than animal proteins?
Good.

>Legumes for example lack methionine and cysteine, while rice has both of those but lacks lysine. Plain rice with beans is already a complete protein source. This really went very far lmao
Yeah, so you have to mix different types of plant protein to get the already complete proteins in animal products.
Thanks for proving my point.
However, you must also consider the non-essential amino acids that plant simply can't produce.
Plants can't produce Creatine or Taurine.
Plants can produce carnitine but only in very tiny amounts, not enough to really matter.
So the overall nutritional value of animal proteins goes beyond the 9 essential amino acids.

If you need the Full Scientific Rundown on Veganism, I've got you.
Full list of all the issues with veganism, with scientific sources.

>>16726698
>>16726716
>>16726720
Veganism Rundown Part 1

>>16726698
>>16726716
>>16726720
>>16726721
Veganism Rundown Part 2

>>16726716
>Health institutions all around the world agree veganism is banned for pregnant women and children
>source?
>okay they don't but they're leftist
>also i cherrypicked one article that doesn't recommend it and a few that point out deficency risks
lol
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>is this enough proof or do you need more
I'm still waiting for these health institutions all around the world that agree veganism is banned for pregnant women and children.
>Plants can't produce Creatine or Taurine
>Plants can produce carnitine but only in very tiny amounts
Being non-essential amino acids, the human body can synthesise them on their own from essential amino acids and other compounds/elements. If you feel that is not enough, all of them can also be synthesised in a lab, which means a vegan diet can supplement them just fine.
>So the overall nutritional value of animal proteins goes beyond the 9 essential amino acids.
Sure, but they don't contain anything you can't get through adequate consumption of various plant proteins.
>If you need the Full Scientific Rundown on Veganism, I've got you.
I don't think you do Anon so far you're in full damage control over that supposed veganism ban let's focus on that. You can always just say you were wrong you know?

>>16726732
Yeah "banned" might have been too strong a word.
"Heavily discouraged" would have been more appropriate.

But it doesn't really change the fact that Veganism is by default unhealthy unless you cheat by using nutritional supplements, especially for pregnant women and children.

You'll find tons of articles talking about children dying from Veganism-induced defficiencies, but you won't find the same for other types of diets, like carnivore for example.

>>16721002
>most produce in western countries is irradiated to kill off any microbes on the produce.
Usually only spices are irradiated

>>16726742
>Yeah "banned" might have been too strong a word. "Heavily discouraged" would have been more appropriate.
That's reasonable and i agree it is somewhat disencouraged. A vegan diet does indeed carry a high risk of deficencies if it's not done properly and they're especially dangerous to developing children. I wouldn't recommend it to the average mother myself. That is not to say it's impossible to not have any, though, you just need to have your shit together.
>But it doesn't really change the fact that Veganism is by default unhealthy unless you cheat by using nutritional supplements, especially for pregnant women and children.
I don't really see how it's cheating. If you want to argue that a nutritionally complete vegan diet would be impossible without modern technology and infrastructure that allows supplementation then i agree, it wouldn't be. But the fact is we do possess modern technology and infrastructure, so it's a moot point. Supplements exist, so you can use them.
>You'll find tons of articles talking about children dying from Veganism-induced defficiencies, but you won't find the same for other types of diets, like carnivore for example.
True, its hard for even the worst omnivore diet to be fatal in the short term.

I'm >>16720884 btw, and I'm not even vegan, but i recognize it can be done.

She went full new age pilled. Only experienced Jedi can handle full new age pill.

>>16727003
>I don't really see how it's cheating
It's just a way of saying that the diet is too restrctive to be healthy, because it requires nutrients that are only found outside said diet, via supplements.
It's cheating in the nutritional sense, because vegans will swear up and down that veganism is the most healthy diet, when in fact ti's one of the most unhealthy.
I'll give you an example of what I mean :
It's like you're buying an electric car to cause less polution, but you charge your car using an diesel generator.
Same kind of idea.

>Supplements exist, so you can use them.
That's fine, but vegans can't have their cake and eat it too.
If they have to take supplements, then they can't claim Veganism is a healthy diet.
If it's healthy, you don't need supplements.
If you need supplements, then it's not healthy.
You/They can either have the vegan cake or eat it, not both.

>>16727490
>It's just a way of saying that the diet is too restrctive to be healthy, because it requires nutrients that are only found outside said diet, via supplements.
But the supplements are vegan. Vegan means "no animal products", not "products that are only found in nature without human intervention". We already discussed how viability of the diet outside modern society is a moot point.
>It's like you're buying an electric car to cause less polution, but you charge your car using an diesel generator.
The analogy fails because it implies vegans somewhow get their supplements from non-vegan sources. You'd have a point if, for example, a vegan was taking animal B12 supplements. But that is not the case, vegan B12 supplements are made through bacterial fermentation. It's a vegan product.

>If it's healthy, you don't need supplements.
Arbitrary. You can have a nutritionally complete diet through supplementation. You can also have a nutritionally complete but still unhealthy diet that is too high in sugar for example, and no supplements will make it healthy.

I don't see why you try so hard to make a distinction between supplements and food. Supplements are essentialy food, just very heavily processed. Not all processing is unhealthy and argueably even cutting meat/vegetables already counts as processing.

>>16727651
If a diet requires you to take medicine, then your diet is not healthy. Pills are not food.

>>16727660
>semantics
If an "unhealthy diet with pills" has the same or better outcomes than a "healthy diet", what do i care if the diet itself is healthy?

>>16727668
Because pills are not part of any diet and we are discussing the diet.

Just because diabetes can be medicated doesn't make diabetes not an illness.

And "pills are vegan, therefore vegan diets are a-okay" is purely a semantic argument.

>>16727782
>Because pills are not part of any diet and we are discussing the diet.
According to what definition of a diet and pills, exactly? Both the FDA (US) and EFSA (EU) consider dietary supplements to be food, not medicine. Can you support the claim that pills aren't food in any way? What do pills lack that food has?
>Just because diabetes can be medicated doesn't make diabetes not an illness.
What you're medicating with supplements is the need for nutrients. Food fullfills exactly the same role. If you want to consider hunger to be an illness then I will again ask you to back it up in some way, but regardless, your analogy just makes food and supplements equal again.
>And "pills are vegan, therefore vegan diets are a-okay" is purely a semantic argument.
True, the fact is that a vegan diet with supplements has good health outcomes. That you consider supplements cheating or not food is entirely irrelevant, however.

>>16727806
>True, the fact is that a vegan diet with supplements has good health outcomes.
CAN have. Many people do not do well on a perfect vegan diet with supplements. Depends on their genetics. Most people that try to follow a vegan diet stop at some point. Negative health impacts is the biggest reason.

The rest of your post is just noise to me. You blather just to be argumentative.

>>16727837
>Many people do not do well on a perfect vegan diet with supplements.
Source?
>Depends on their genetics.
Source?
>The rest of your post is just noise to me. You blather just to be argumentative.
This is a very passive agressive way of admitting you don't actually have any reasonable arguments to justify your weird distinction between supplements and food.

>>16727845
>Source
By now you can find the accounts of thousands of ex-vegans in many places. I am sure there are studies as well.

>pills
I don't need to justify common English words. Pills are not food.

>>16727861
>By now you can find the accounts of thousands of ex-vegans in many places. I am sure there are studies as well.
Doesn't look like a source to me.
>I don't need to justify common English words. Pills are not food.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/food
>something that people and animals eat, or plants absorb, to keep them alive
>something that can be taken in by an animal and used to keep it alive and allow it to grow or develop, or such things considered as a whole
>something that people eat to keep them alive
Dietary supplements satisfy all of these definitions just fine. Are you ESL perhaps? Also, does food stop being food if i isolate specific compounds and put them into a pill?

>>16720857 (OP)
this is from licking donuts. it's better to eat them.
https://rumble.com/v5s8qb2-the-donut-lickers.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp_a

>>16727806
Then why do the pills often say to take with food?
I can just take a handful of pills with my pills since pills are already food?

>>16729954
>Then why do the pills often say to take with food?
The instructions are written for brevity and clarity for the average person with little to no nutritional knowledge, not scientific precision. It's a shorthand for nutrients that promote absorption, such as fat, carnohydrates and protein.
>I can just take a handful of pills with my pills since pills are already food?
Sure. You can take your fat soluble vitamin pills with fish oil pills. You can pour protein powder into pills. You can take your carbohydrate-dependent supplements with a dozens of starch/fiber/maltodextrin/etc. pills. You can even take meal replacement capsules. It would be highly inconvenient given that pills typically contain nutrients that are needed in quantities small enough to fit in a pill, but if the goal is to satsify an autist immune to nuance, it's possible.

>>16730036
>the average person with little to no nutritional knowledge,
So even the average person with little to no nutritional knowledge is more informed than you and knows pills aren't food and you should take the pills with something other than more pills?

>t's a shorthand for nutrients
So pills generally contain all the nutrient requirements that define food: fat, carbohydrates, and protein?

>an autist immune to nuance
>t. the autist who can't understand the nuance of things meant to go into your mouth that aren't food.

>>16730039
>So even the average person with little to no nutritional knowledge is more informed than you and knows pills aren't food and you should take the pills with something other than more pills?
No ,the average person doesn't know that FDA and EFSA both consider dietary supplements to be food, at that anything containing nutrients can be considered food according to all common definitions of food. You also seem to be struggling with the concept. Are you ESL?
>So pills generally contain all the nutrient requirements that define food: fat, carbohydrates, and protein?
Can you come up with a single dictonary that defines food as something that must contain fat/carbohydrates/protein and not other nutrients? Is a fish oil pill more of a food than a celery stalk because it contains fat and more calories? What about protein powder? It contains more protein than just about anything, yet it's a supplement.
>t. the autist who can't understand the nuance of things meant to go into your mouth that aren't food
If it has nutrients, it's food. This is in line with any commonly used definition of the word and classification by the authorities. That you can't grasp it implies either a very low IQ or poor understanding of the language. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest you learn the language before getting into semantic arguments.

>>16730090
You just admitted yourself you aren't speaking english, you are speaking bureaucratic nonsense, but if that were the case, it would just be called the FA and you could just produce an link from the FDA website that says pills are just food.

>Can you come up with a single dictonary that defines food as something that must contain fat/carbohydrates/protein and not other nutrients?
I wasn't citing the dictionary, I was citing the shorthand definition of food that you yourself literally just provided.
>>16730036
>It's (food) a shorthand for nutrients that promote absorption

>If it has nutrients, it's food.
Supplements aren't just about nutrients.

>suggest you learn the language
I don't need to learn more language, you just need to be able to provide your sources, so you can put your claims to rest.

>>16723063
>>16721314
>>16721259
No collagen in your diet = ruinous accelerated aging of your skin.

Your own body's collagen production requires a specific mix of amino acids which can only be efficiently matched by consuming animal collagen. This is why long term vegans inevitable end up looking like the walking dead. It's also the reason "" black don't crack""; black people eat lots of chicken and suck the connective tissue off the bones. This keeps their skin looking young for longer.

>>16725278
Reread what I said. There's bacteria on the produce which produces b12. Washing the produce removes the b12. Also even after you was the produce there's still bacteria which will remain and produce b12 afterwards, but again we irradiate most produce.

>>16726572
Here's a short list of the well documented defficiencies of the Vegan diet
- Vitamin B12
- Iron and heme-iron
- Vitamin D
- Calcium
- Omega 3
- Iodine
- Zinc
- Selenium
- Full protein / Protein quality.
Most of these are a product of industrial agriculture and nutrient depletion.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uwn7ioUHTk&t=92s

>>16726572
>Here's a short list of the well documented defficiencies of the Vegan diet
>- Vitamin B12
>- Iron and heme-iron
>- Vitamin D
>- Calcium
>- Omega 3
>- Iodine
>- Zinc
>- Selenium
>- Full protein / Protein quality.
These are a product of industrial agriculture and nutrient depletion, see:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uwn7ioUHTk&t=92s

>>16730229
>we irradiate most produce.
That isn't true. Some food is irradiated but most isn't (in America.) Many western countries irradiate very little at all.

>>16730267
Oh, well regardless we wash off all the b12 in food systems, and you should wash all your produce even if you're vegan, otherwise you expose yourself to pesticides.

>>16730759
shut up nigger

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>>16730759
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