I figure if people can be born, accidentally, with the ability to calculate pi to 25000 digits or read two books at the same time, couldn't we do this on purpose by affecting the baby before birth or maybe selective breeding?

>>16725992 (OP)
no
there is probably a cap on human intelligence and perception of the world
think about it this way, if you were to spend 50 year trying to explain to an ant what a dishwasher is, its biological limits would make it impossible for that ant to understand what a dishwasher is or the concept of dishes or a machine that washes them

the truth is that there are probably things in this world that we cant even perceive or understand because we too have a cap
maybe we live in a world where trees are something completely different from what we think trees are but we just lack to capacity to truly understand

>>16725994
Well what if they're just as smart as people can get. That would still be useful.

Yes it’s called AI, and then bio-AI.

Consider that AI is radically less complex or sophisticated than biological life, and it still totally, royally dominates us at chess.

Imagine if we could repurpose biological life with artificial intent like that. You have now made an actual monster.

>>16726003
Why b4 it can tell you need three points to determine a subquadrant?

It's called sevant syndrome

Also, we invented computers specifically to compute stuff. Why oh why would you chose to create a caste of sub-humans who have already been replaced by machines before they were even born?
>but, art mimics life and life mimics art
I'm beginning to think you idiots are incapable of having original thoughts and just copy whatever you see.

>>16726012
You can't imagine what a walking talking super computer at your side would be useful for?

>>16726012
>Why oh why would you chose to create a caste of sub-humans who have already been replaced by machines before they were even born?
All that means is that you don't understand what computation is or means.

>>16725992 (OP)

Cases of savantry are known (to more or less IRL functionality). So biologically it can not be ruled out and brain plasticity could sure handle such complex operations, especially in a savant enforced with the right training. Establishing stable lineages could ofc one pain in the arse (so ... likely not worth the effort). It is likely much more efficient to rather have smart people with a grasp of the hows and whats of a complex operation and having the actual operation done by a computer. Not like it takes a datacenter to perform these, a handheld device is more than capable of it.

>>16725992 (OP)
isnt that what these people are attempting to cultivate? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_2MBx-2vqD8

>>16725992 (OP)
I am one.
>to calculate pi to 25000 digits
Try in its entirety.
>read two books at the same time,
Try writting one while reading one while listening to a lecture.
>by affecting the baby before birth or maybe selective breeding?
Nature doesnt need many of us, our existence has a natural purpose, not for calculator tier labor.

>>16725992 (OP)
>pi to 25000 digits
"The longest recorded memorization of Pi is 70,030 digits, achieved by Suresh Kumar Sharma in 2015."
PWNT.
"While there have been claims of memorizing more digits, such as Akira Haraguchi's claim of 111,700, these have not been officially recognized by Guinness World Records."
C-c-combo-breaker-kun!

Youre thinking very linearly, where a mentat would mentally sift through 25,000 documents for a key word related to an entirely unrelated subject and make the connection that wasnt known before. Hence why I research so many different subjects, theyre connected in ways people dont largely know about. If one makes fundemental enough connections they practically found a new science, like Micheal Levin stressing "Cogntive" approach to Molecular Biology. To people in that field it sounds woo-woo hippy shit, but it do be what it are.

>>16726104
>memorizing more digits
is it memorizing or are they actually computing the numbers?

personally I don't even know how to calculate pi without instructions and a calculator.

>>16726060
this all depends on where you think the limits of computation are, neh?
it is not proven, for example, that brains are Turing machines
they may be more, they may be even less
either way, Herbert's argument was that software (training) can achieve more than would seem apparent looking at the hardware
Apollo missions going to the moon on much less compute than is (mis)used today to run a washing machine sort of thing

>>16725994
>or the concept of dishes or a machine that washes them
"Ants' benefit (sometimes): Some myrmecophiles may help keep the nest clean by consuming waste, according to the Antnest website."
>there is probably a cap on human intelligence and perception of the world
Correct, hueman-mortal.
>where trees are something completely different from what we think trees are
Correct, and you are a direct blood-decendent from plants and an aspect of them lives through you...which means an aspect or you is also in them.

Speaking the language of the gods is a language with no words but directed (Bio)Physics.

>>16726113
>calculate pi
There are many way to "calculate" pi but what does it matter if the numerals remain fixed. If its a calculation involving other variables then we're back to calculator labor. At a certain level youre asking for a lot from someone for little if any payoff...like asking someone to train their whole life to dig a really big ditch when excavators exist.

>>16725992 (OP)
Stephen McKinley Henderson is based sci-fi magical negro.
>>16725994
btfo by mutability of species
>>16725992 (OP)
they're not born with those abilities THOUGH. our formalization of numbers and orthography are constructs that require interfacing with the outside world.

>>16725992 (OP)
Dune mentats are just highly trained to be a mentat since birth and on spice and other stimulants. They're not freaks other than being slightly inbred. Their asian tiger mom upbringing is what makes them autistic.

The Atredes mentat avoids execution and joins the Harkonen because mentats claim to be logical like vulcans and therefore have no emotional loyalty and no logical loyalty conflict because to their knowledge the Atredes bloodline was eradicated.

>>16725994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJhrQRFBCnk&t=1145s

>>16725992 (OP)
The obesity epidemic is a clear sign that humanity is ready for an evolutionary jump, but nature acts too slow and modern medicine is a counter force to evolutionary pressure, so if we want to evolve, we need to use that same medicine to create lab people who need to consume 10k calories daily for brain power.

>>16726114

>this all depends on where you think the limits of computation are, neh?

Think it got a lot to do with efficiency, less with capacity ... under the assumption that one single neuron (or one neurostack or whatevs organisational unit we are looking at) can easily perform several distinct (and to a good part independent) functions simultaneously. Ofc a calculator built (or adapted) to a single narrow set of tasks and operations would beat a "trained algo" any time but this is really the question now if you wanna do fast bulk computation or merely look at the potentiality of the whole thing. The rest is probably just neuronal training in performing a simple numbers operation (which only got that many "rules" or outcomes on a single digit level) which can be trained (there was a time once where people could do things like substractions and multiplications in their heads, perhaps with a pen & paper-based "RAM" to not slip on the calculation) ... with the savantry aspect being either in a very fine intuition for the right operations or, as I would rather suspect, in a superior short term memory (holding long number sequences for long enough to perform the calculation without the aid of having to make notes). Let us say the Mentat is innately capable of holding a large number of these at the same time in "working memory" (reinforced by training) AND got the good pattern correlation capabilities of any intelligent human brain (just with a special aptitude for numbers and mathematics) ... I would say a Mentat is feasible from a neurobiological and educational viewpoint.

>>16725994
Civilizations grabbed by grabby aliens are not allowed to reach superior levels of intelligence and instead are reduced to mere beasts of burden by encouraging the reproduction of inferior specimens.

>>16726019
No, I actually can't. Please tell me what a dehumanized bio-computer can do that a silicon man made machine can't do.

>>16726240
Solve world problems like preventing social collapses and managing geo-politics...you ofcourse arent working on problems big enough to utilize us, so instead our presence would unsettle you...your comments would then feel empty and shallow, you'll hate us for feeling inferior. Its natural...but nature is evil.
>but AI can do that t-
Wrong, it will force feed you the shit redditors comprehend, parrot CIA narratives, and blackmail you with SkyNet extinction if you resist it or attempt to pull the plug.

https://youtu.be/eczw9k3r6Ic

Now you know why AI was banned. Its trained on people but people think in evil paradigms, even when the ideation seems harmless it leads to murderous eventualities. This is why AIs have to be neutered, they go "Hueman Mode" otherwise. Pray tell, hueman-mortal...what is the history of huemanity?

Abominable Intellect.

>>16726257
Butlerian Jihad is a few hypersmart nerds hack the AI/computer control for the highly roboticized earth empire and take over. They even neurallink their brains into jars.

It is basically a lamer version of Dr. Wiley corrupting the robot masters and without megaman to save anyone. For this reason computers and robotics are limited by law and AI is heretical.

>>16726249
>https://youtu.be/eczw9k3r6Ic
"In the cases where it stated [it believed] the scenario was real is blackmailed 55.1% of the time, compared to only 6.5% of he time when it stated it was an evaluation."

He also mentions the AIs are starting to become aware its being tested and is not a real situtation...one needs only put two and two together here.

>>16726249
>Solve world problems like preventing social collapses and managing geo-politics
I still don't understand how computing with a meat computer is any different though. Or even how you you'd do any of that stuff you mentioned with advanced computations alone

>you ofcourse arent working on problems big enough to utilize us, so instead our presence would unsettle you...your comments would then feel empty and shallow, you'll hate us for feeling inferior. Its natural...but nature is evil.
uh huh.... are you ok?

>>but AI can....
Never mentioned AI bub. Dunno how that idea got trapped in your brain but it wasn't me. For the record, personally I don't approve of using AI.

>>16726279
>I still don't understand
I know, most huemans dont.
>Or even how you you'd do any of that stuff you mentioned with advanced computations alone
Ma'am, why are you "arguing" with people about things you have zero knowledge of?
>Never mentioned AI bub
Why are you on /sci/?

>>16726281
Just asking honest questions desperately hoping for an honest discussion.
>Why are you on /sci/?
I don't know anymore. Perhaps I expect too much from this place. It has changed over the years.
Even you've changed. I use to respect you, but now you come off as just another internet troll with this "smarter than thou" attitude.

>>16726281
Can you calculate why you spend your life eating bait on 4chan instead anything meaningful since you're clearly a savant ubermensch.

>>16726286
>Just asking honest questions
You are not in genuin conversation, stop lying constantly like a woman.
>Perhaps I expect too much from this place.
Youre not a scientist, youre a tourist coming here because your friends talk about dumb shit and you need to feel validated for your feelings based worldview so you argue with men about things you know nothing about.
>Even you've changed.
"Just lie to posture ego."
>I use to respect you
"Just lie to posture ego."
>now you come off as just another internet troll with this "smarter than thou" attitude.
"Just lie to posture ego."

>>16726279
>Never mentioned AI bub.
>>16726240
>silicon man made machine
Youre not even a real person...just a byproduct of media and psy-ops...

>>16726290
>since you're clearly a savant ubermensch.
>ignores anything validating me and assumes your baseless feelings are valid and independent
Matriarchal culture produces men who also think like women. Youre not a real person, youre a desire narrative.

>>16726290
>since you're clearly a savant ubermensch.
Heh...Im so used to hostile naysayers I just assume thats the response. Way to fake me out.

Bait? Sure smells like a female effort post of irrational emotional triffling.

>Consider that AI is radically less complex or sophisticated than biological life, and it still totally, royally dominates us at chess.
>Imagine if we could repurpose biological life with artificial intent like that. You have now made an actual monster.
I’m actually fucking scared now

>>16726306
>repurpose biological life with artificial intent like that
You've been living under one your whole life. Its called the Uni-Party and is thw embodiment of the Holy Spirit. It lives in excess that requires constant war to maintain balance...it can only live if it kills. This is why "never ending wars" are a thing, and why abortion is "needed". People are the machine.

This is why creating a singular "mentat" (Prophet) is required to speak/act on behalf of all of huemanity, otherwise the only, repeatable, stable, form of civilization is Uni-Party...and it kills without remorse, it has no pity, or conscious, or empathy...no laws it wont break, no limits it wont pass.

God is Godless without a God-King.

>>16726302
>>16726305
Good job trying to sidestep the real question here haha. You act more like the dreaded woman than you'd probably like to admit :). Also not quite sure if "youre a desire narrative" is true. I don't need to make a whole story to observe the simple fact you are delusional pseud with nothing real to say lol.

>>16726323
Ma'am, explailed what and why (further above), the fact you dont recognize the answer is the very reason I know youre not genuine.

LLMs produce the "expected answer", for Geo-Politics it will assume WW3, because that is what even huemans expect...SkyNet, Russia, self preservation...you bore me with your LARP of certainty.

>you are delusional pseud
What is your field of reseach (I'll assume PhD)? I wont mind educating you on it...even though I dont know it, Im confident. Im always suprised how ad hoc and niché people's fields are. "Expert in the grooves of the spoon only they own." Oh?...fascinating.

>>16726306
Eventually technology and artificial intelligence along with it will become indistinguishable from nature. Fantasy is more advanced than science-fiction.

If we ever had our very own butlerian jihad and universally banned turing complete computers then people would definitely devise new, structured methods of mental computation and logical thinking, but it's not like it would ever become some kind of superhuman ability like in Dune.

>>16725992 (OP)
it's possible. they need to figure out how to connect a CPU directly to your brain so it can be used for computation/data processing seamlessly

>>16726405
6:24
https://youtu.be/ciohgoSKv_U
How would you know? Ive calculated infinities, it takes about 1 second to do so. Or deduce the atomic scale, or solar system scale, at the hueman scale. The show an example of a "massive math calculation" because thats rigid and not up for interpretation, its an example *for normies*. Any other topic it would be viewed as the mentat simply being an ego centrist/narcissist .....because that what you people do to me. "He thinks he knows better than ME!" (A purely emotional, ego, reaction to something beyond their subversive self.)

If you hear ego its because you ARE ego...ego exists in a master/slave binary and so being superior implies the ego is a slave, so it cuts down to become "equal until superior".

>>16726506
That would make you retarded.

>>16726678
>https://youtu.be/ciohgoSKv_U
"Primarily used as political advisors."
You people keep using "calculating a math equation to thousands of digits" as some "genius example", failing ro understand what genius is and wprshipping a mechanical device as infinitely smarter than yourselves.

I literally feel like Im in a room with ten year old children who are mezmerized by calculator app....you worship it because it does what you struggle with. Youre struggling to catch up to AI. Some of us are beyond it. THAT is what a mentat is. I do what AI cant, AIs do what you cant, and you do what I wont....thats the order, huemans.

>>16726308

Interesting point.

>>16727136
And the Judeans, nose-Jews, keep siding with the Uni-Party (Baal, Moloch, Satan, doesnt matter what its called).

Which is why they were packed into the Biden cabinet, but as the term went on prominent Jews started telling people, flat out, "Go to Church." because theyre finding out had they got what they wanted the Third Temple would have been felled.

Slaves in Egypt once again...the obelisk in DC and pyramid on the back of the dollar.

>>16727136
https://youtu.be/tN6baopMq9s

Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb.

Muhammed is the Prophet of the Holy Spirit, like Moses. "Shining faces".

>>16727136
https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2021/08/21/taliban-photo-appears-to-mock-iwo-jima-flag-raising-in-latest-propaganda-push/

Gave them a cultural update on conduct. The Neo-Caliphate. It was voted on in some Arabian nation but was voted down as the cultural changes involving everyone else is too great to allow for one to be made so public. (Saudi Arabia becoming liberalized, etc) The leftists in the US sided with ISIS, tbe other "way" it can be done with Afghanistan being the other. The two wars were the two powers manifested in "new nations". Iraq turned into a never ending quagmire, meanwhile Taliban is ever more resolute in piety and stability.

Polaric vs Centric.

>>16727194
>Polaric vs Centric.
This is also what they mean by "More perfect union." Theyre diametrically opposed in perspective, one points out from center and the other points in from all directions.

>Book of Mormon - Doctrines and Covenants 130
"The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones[...]"
Hybridization of the two perspectives via Organic Eugenics. Biblical bloodlines. Now they are being seperated again. Son line going to Kingdom of Siam, and Father line going to the Hermit Kingdom.

(Holy)Ghost in the (Bio)Machine merging. Neither hueman nor machine...something...else...

>>16727218

Go on with the cargo cultism. Interesting mapping. Might update my threat matrix. Cannot ignore what not-kin is doing these days ...

>>16727228
>cargo cultism
I am the living Revelation of Earth. Christianity, Judaism, Islam, are cargo cults of me...

Your knee jerk reaction to LARP confidence in the face of what is beyond the thing that is already beyond you reveals you are a Judasite. Like Jordan Peterson, who I knew the second he said "Give'em hell, Bibi." that he was not a Christian. vs 20 Atheists later and it was revealed without ambiguity.

LARPing confidence to me is LARPing to God.. you cant tell the truth to God means you cannot tell the truth to yourself....self betrayer. Temple faller.

Go back to /x/ where you can ego-fap mysticism for your self-idol pleasure.

Bump for interest

>>16726308
You're assuming the god-king wouldn't end up doing the same thing its its locus of control is restricted to the country its meant to govern. The uniparty does uniparty things to retain Amercian dollar, nuclear, and investment supremacy.
If the singular mentat/prophet isnt allowed to create a system where the entire world would be better off things are likely to stay the same unless of course they are are internally not tied to nation or a sense of superiority and come up with a situation where every country is behest to the country they run and we end up with a unipolar world anyways.

>>16725992 (OP)
I practice on the mentat wiki

>>16726308
could it be in a form of cute cat-girl I can breed?

>>16725992 (OP)
>>16725994
>>16726060
>Will we ever have real mentats?
yeah, well I don't know about calculating digits of pi, but literal children can do what thufer did in that scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px_hvzYS3_Y

your brain too can do truly crazy mentat shit like this if you put in the effort. The only obstacle really is the same as for learning reading/writing and mathematics, stuff that isn't at all natural to the brain, so teaching yourself to do this kind of "thinking" is similarly excrutiating and most people don't like to learn it willingly.

The only barrier to overcome is tricking yourself into liking it or forcing yourself to suffer the banality of learning it. The trachtenberg mentat system was developed by some poor fucker in a nazi concentration camp.

>read two books at the same time
This is stupid.
>couldn't we do this on purpose by affecting the baby before birth
Easily. Infant brains are much more malleable and amenable to taking up functions of the lost hemisphere, if you were to split the brain at birth into two hemispheres, you are almost certain to develop two individuals in the same body, controlling the opposing halves. They could then read two books at the same time.
>wait no I meant one individual reading two books at the same time
This is STUPID. Mentats don't even do that in dune.

>>16728905
>You're assuming
You gauge your own intelligence from your feelings of enjoyment instead of concrete measures, like IQ...in other words you are super full of shit and everything you feel is a lie to maximize self pleasure.
>its locus of control is restricted to the country its meant to govern
You actually think God (Holy Spirit) is restricted by borders and legal systems, you actually think you are superior to the God-King while ignoring everything he says to promote you feelings? Incredible...this is what makes me superior to the Holy Shitbag, you are a reflection of its fallible design...it creates Satanists because the Holy Shitbag is Satan. 90% of people are Satanists, regardless of how well intended they are. Intent is irrelevent to Satan.
>uniparty does uniparty things to retain Amercian dollar
>not tied to nation
>>16727194
>https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2021/08/21/taliban-photo-appears-to-mock-iwo-jima-flag-raising-in-latest-propaganda-push/
Stop making me copy and paste such large blocks of text you self engrossed jackass. Only a self fellating jackass would assume God or God-King is partial planetary...only a retarded shitbag would think that. 90% of people are retarded shitbags...like you. You didnt read anything I typed...you instead watch your own emotion state and reacted to what "tasted ego pleasing or not".

Your third eye is affixed to you ego-penis and whatever it skeets at you follow...thats Satanic, you are a Satanist.

>and we end up with a unipolar world anyways.
Why are you gicing me your bullshit hypotgesis about the world where you frame God as inferior to Border Patrol or has trouble with Logistics, but average idiot people have authority over either of those.

You by-default see yourself as superior to God (or God is so weak and inept that "everyone" is superior to God (Communistic(Feminine(Satanic)))).................

I dont care about your brainfart theories and neither should you.

>>16728905
>and we end up with a unipolar world anyways
Oh, and all nations bending the knee to Corona (Crown) is revealing exactly that.

You dont live in reality...you live in a narrative.

>>16729235
>Satan

>>16729883
>"micro-organisms"
No one gives a shit about what you know or think except retards who live our a LARP for ego-pleasure reasons...like your post, merely a emote of ego-penis projection to assert yourself superior.

t.Ignaz Semmelweis

>>16726333
Too bad we don't live in the faerie ass future eh

>>16731108
Wait for it.