Infinitists btfo - /sci/ (#16727090)

Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:15:37 PM No.16727090
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math pythagoras wrong
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Claim: [math] 0.999_{\dots} \neq 1[/math]

Proof: We use induction. The base case is trivial: [math] 0.9 \neq 1[/math]. Next we introduce the notation that [math]0.9_n = \underbrace{0.9999999}_{n-\text{many nines}}[/math] is the decimal with n-many 9s.

Now the inductive step: we assume [math]0.9_n \neq 1[/math]. Then trivially [math]0.9_{n+1} \neq 1 [/math]. It might help to notice that [math] 1 - 0.9_{n+1} \neq 0[/math].

This implies that [math]0.9_n \neq 1 \qquad \forall n\in \mathbb{N}[/math]

Finally, we define [math] 0.999_{\dots} := \lim_{n\to\infty} 0.9_n[/math].

[math]\therefore 0.999_{\dots} \neq 1 \qquad \square [/math]
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:30:43 PM No.16727108
>>16727090 (OP)
What's 1/3 in decimal form?
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:32:28 PM No.16727111
>>16727090 (OP)
Assuming this isn't literal retard tier bait, I'll tell you why this is wrong
Induction is a mathematical principle that allows you to prove that a statement P(n) is true for any natural number n. This is exactly what you've done and everything you've said is correct regarding 0.9_n not being 1.
The error here is assuming that since each term in your sequence is not equal to one, then it's limit is not one.
It's pretty easy to prove that the limit of 1/n as n tends to infinity is equal to zero, but each term in the sequence is non zero. The exact same behavior happens with the sequence 0.9_n.

In fact, you've essentially proven that 1 = 0.999... It's easy to show that the limit of 0.9_n is equal to 1, since you defined 0.999... to be this limit then you've exactly shown that 1 = 0.999...

but you're probably racist anyway so i shouldn't expect you to be capable of complex thought.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:35:24 PM No.16727113
>>16727090 (OP)
At least you're more creative than most shitposters here. I assume you actually know, but the limit of a sequence a_n being a does not mean that a_n has to ever equal a. It just means that a_n gets arbitrarily close to a, which 0.999... does.
I can say that 1/n does not equal zero for any natural number n by induction, but the limit will still be zero as n goes to infinity.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:53:30 PM No.16727128
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>>16727090 (OP)
>>16727108
OP BTFO
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:54:02 PM No.16727129
>>16727108
0.2999....
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 1:36:41 AM No.16727223
>>16727129
Oh Anon, you tried so hard.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 6:09:27 AM No.16727353
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>>16727090 (OP)
>implying real numbers aren't real
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 6:52:39 PM No.16727794
>>16727090 (OP)
cool it with the anti semitism

>>16727108
no solution moshe
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 6:58:02 PM No.16727805
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>>16727090 (OP)
>>16727111
>Even the image is bait
This is God tier baiting. I kneel.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 3:26:46 AM No.16728158
>>16727129
nigga that's 3/10
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 4:33:49 AM No.16728200
This would work if infinity was a natural number.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 4:39:08 AM No.16728203
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>>16727108
you cannot express that exactly in decimal form
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:07:31 AM No.16728242
>>16727090 (OP)
>Finally, we define [math] 0.999\dots:=\lim_{n\to\infty}0.9_n [/math]
Ah, that's [math] 1, [/math] chief.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 7:14:02 AM No.16728268
If 0.9 + 0.09 + 0.009 …. = 1

then

1/2 * 1/2 * 1/2… = 0

Which is clearly retarded and shows that an expression with infinite operations is impossible and completely irrelevant to actual math. It’s literally the same thing kids do when they pretend to have an imaginary shield with infinite power or whatever. It goes against the spirit of the game.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 7:24:44 AM No.16728274
>>16728268
You've gotta be joking.
Yes an infinite sum or infinite product is not well defined in general. However, over the real numbers we can make sense of them by defining them to be the limit of their successive partial sums or partial products. Under this definition both of the statements you've given are correct.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 8:01:44 AM No.16728291
>>16727090 (OP)
What are the characteristics of at least one real number that lies between 1 and over .999..
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 8:02:15 AM No.16728292
>>16728291
-over
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 8:58:09 AM No.16728301
>>16727090 (OP)
I'm telling people there is a difference on exactly one point on real axis, which seems bullshit, because any distance on real axis has same number of points like whole real axis, but this is example of two points right next to each other.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 10:10:52 AM No.16728314
>>16727129
>1/3=0.3
your Fields medal is in the mail
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:27:10 PM No.16728350
>>16728291
Here's one. It's small.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:54:36 PM No.16728356
0.999... = 1.111...
There are infinitely many 9s
0.999.. = 0.(999)(999)(999)... = 1.11...
For each (999) infinite sequence there is a 1. In the limit of infinitely many subsequences of repeating 9s we get the proposed claim.
Since 0.9999...... = 1.1111...., obviously 0.999... ≠ 1
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 8:17:38 PM No.16728686
>>16728356
>0.999... = 1.111...
topkek
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:40:02 PM No.16728779
>>16727108
OP refuted in 1 post lol
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 7:45:39 PM No.16729513
>>16728268
>is impossible
You can make up any rules in math you want and see what that gives you
>completely irrelevant to actual math
engineer babble is not real math
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 9:43:12 PM No.16729634
>>16727111
>but you're probably racist anyway so i shouldn't expect you to be capable of complex thought.
and it was going so well...
Anonymous
7/21/2025, 7:27:53 PM No.16730376
>>16727108
>what's -1 in natural numbers
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:56:14 PM No.16731127
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>>16727108
1/3 has a decimal form in base 3 :

[math]1/3_{base10}=0.1_{base3}[/math]

But it's not really "decimal" (deci = 10th of something), more likely "tricemal".
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:58:29 PM No.16731128
>>16727090 (OP)
Rare to see a page from sketchbook.
Great anime for art and cat lovers.
Anonymous
7/22/2025, 5:58:49 PM No.16731129
>>16728356
Now this is good bait
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 2:09:35 AM No.16731491
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>>16727090 (OP)
>pic
Go on, take an infinity 90 degree turns. I'm waiting.
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 3:27:52 AM No.16731539
>>16727090 (OP)
What real number exists between 0.999_ and 1?
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Anonymous
7/23/2025, 3:29:50 AM No.16731541
>>16728268
Yes, the limits of each of those sequences are as stated in your post. An expression with infinite operations is possible and relevant. There isn't any such thing a spirit of a game.
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 3:30:14 AM No.16731542
>>16731539
0.999....1
0.999....2
0.999....3
and so on. in fact, infinitely many numbers exist between 0.999... and 1. ever hear of the density of the reals? infinitely many numbers between any two irrational numbers, and infinitely many numbers between any two rational numbers. since 0.999... can be written as a sum of fractions, it's a rational number and since 1 = 1/1 is also a rational number, there are infinitely many numbers between 0.999... and 1.
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Anonymous
7/23/2025, 3:30:58 AM No.16731544
>>16731542
What digit position does the "1" exist in?
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Anonymous
7/23/2025, 3:32:43 AM No.16731545
>>16731544
how many digits are in Graham's number? oh, you can't say? guess it's not a real number. see how this works?
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Anonymous
7/23/2025, 3:35:41 AM No.16731546
>>16731545
You still don't get it? I'll spell it out for you.
The number 0.999R (let's call it Nr for short) doesn't terminate.
The decimal expansions you indicate terminate.
Therefore, they aren't equal to Nr, and are in fact strictly less than it.
Any other pretend-clever theories you want to embarrass yourself with?
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 4:05:44 AM No.16731562
lol fucking owned
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 5:37:19 AM No.16731590
>>16727090 (OP)
Why do all these people come up with fake "proofs" like this? Where are all of you being trained to use actual math terms but apply them so badly?
Anonymous
7/23/2025, 10:03:41 AM No.16731697
1/9 = 0.111...
+
8/9 = 0.888...
=
9/9 = 0.999...
Anonymous
7/25/2025, 1:57:15 AM No.16733020
>>16727090 (OP)
First, prove that .999... exists. Protip: you can't.