Thread 16830662

If matter isn't created or destroyed, and simply changes form. Doesn't that mean reincarnation is the true nature of the afterlife?

Don't forget blackholes sucking up energy and matter and spitting it out into the next universe creating another big bang

Cycle theory remains undefeated

>>16830662 (OP)
where'd the matter come from
>black holes
where'd they come from
>x
y. checkmate not coming back

>>16830662 (OP)
>>16830681
Sluuurp

For me its peppermint tea

X y z. X y z. X y z. Where mah 3d bros at?

>>16830662 (OP)
No, because the odds of the same exact circumstances happening to bring your exact atomic configuration into being are so close to zero that writing the number out would take you an infinite lifetimes. I'm sorry, but there's nothing waiting for you on the other side.

>>16831332
And yet we exist despite those very odds

Maybe just admit that statistics and probability are just rationalizing what we don't know

>>16831335
your current existence bears no statistical relation to the same exact events happening again, the current state of affairs is because the things that had to happen to reach this point have already happened, but the odds of the exact same circumstances occuring again are not even close to being favourable, it's a one and done deal, maybe we'll get lucky and merge into some hyperconsciousness a bajillion years into the future, but even then the notion of "you" would cease to exist, there would only be one "I", a new being with not a single memory of this godforsaken existence.

>>16830662 (OP)
no + energy isnt matter + youre stupid + reincarnation is some idea they give thirdies so they can throw away billions of lives

>>16830662 (OP)
Let's say you get put into an artificial coma. Your memories get deleted with sci-fi technology. People wait until your body has replaced every atom (I don't know if every atom in the human body actually gets replaced over time but let's assume we have the technology to replace even the atoms that don't get replaced naturally atom by atom).
You come out of the coma.
Does the new consciousness still belong to "you"? There's nothing linking the old you to the new you after all. How is that different from dying but then somehow continuing to be conscious as another conscious being?
That would be pretty terrifying actually. It would be like buddhism but you can never escape samsara as long as there are conscious beings.

>>16831407
That sounds like a fantastic punishment for irredeemable criminals. Instead of being put to death, just wipe away the person inside their body and condition the new one into being a slave for the community.

>>16831509
At that point the person you wanted to punish is gone though

Assuming the universe/physics are deterministic and the universe is cyclic, then yes we would be reliving this same life over and over for eternity.

Problem with determinism comes from quantum mechanics, which Einstein thought was dumb, and the heat death of the universe from expansion and entropy.

>>16830662 (OP)
Yes. Sure. Whatever.

But you still suffer memory death. Your consciousness may arise again, but it’s not YOU anon. You could be a frog.

>>16831723
>then yes we would be reliving this same life over and over for eternity
I don’t think it would be exactly the same… given choice…

>>16831332
>your exact atomic configuration
you mean the atomic configuration that changed just a moment ago and will change again just as quickly?

>>16830662 (OP)
Unironically, yes. Like you said, everything that makes you "you" will break down and decompose into other elements and become part of other structures.

But when most religions talk about reincarnation they mean it in a metaphysical way, like, they believe some spark or thread of your prior life remains, perhaps in the form of karma you have to pay off, or perhaps you can somehow remember your past lives or whatever. I don't believe in any of that. I think your body become a corpse and melts into various compounds that go back into the Earth, your mind and all it's memories are either stored in some kind of hypothetical holographic universe function or some shit, or they just get lost forever if they're only stored in the brain. Personally I dunno, I have no strong opinion on that, but I don't believe in supernatural forces, so I don't think your memories or self awareness from when you were alive will survive past the point of total death.

>>16831360
>but even then the notion of "you" would cease to exist, there would only be one "I", a new being with not a single memory of this godforsaken existence.
this feels like cope.

dude you are fractal wrong which is the state of being wrong at every conceivable scale of resolution.
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>>16832049
I hope i actually study next time

>>16832047
I'm going to reincarnate as an apple tree and never give you any apples.

>>16830662 (OP)
Matter is not conserved, the only physical units that are conserved are: energy, momentum (linear and angular), and charge.
Matter can be created by way of particle pair production and destroyed by particle annihilation.