Thread 16831714

HLS infodump - edition

previous >>16825075

prop transfer

>>16831719
don't forget the 25 (TWENTY FIVE) launches, btw

>>16831717
Hold up, did they just invent a new docking standard just for Artemis?

>Starship
>doesn't go to the stars
>can't even achieve orbit
lol

let's see Jeff Bezo's proposal

In today's news
>Tory being a fucking brainlet and still confused about Raptor 3
>SpaceX HLS update

>>16831717
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1983926856504971268

20s video clip

>>16831728
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1983921001717997728

>>16831731
PowerPointX

>>16831729
This is genuinely cool shit because sensor fusion doesn't just have to be for fighter jets any more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuwgOlc-1AU
This guy is more lucid at 90 than the past two US presidents. Concerning.

>>16831729
>those faces in the reflection

>>16831736
Trump is pretty lucid is he not?
Compared to Biden at least

>>16831729
That's Raja Chari?

>>16831741
Not really.

>>16831745
Yeah, I think it is.

https://sxcontent9668.azureedge.us/cms-assets/assets/Prop_Transfer_4_K_83ce127002.mp4

original is 88mb, this post has a very compressed video

China on the Moon in 2030. Done deal.

>>16831756
>>16831728
the space race heats up. well more like space marathon.

>>16831755
How is the camera teleporting around like that?

That's nice. "Pats on Head*

How good was the first iteration of F9 relative to other launchers at the time?

Does Brilly realize there are zero spare SLS to test this system? Apollo had a half dozen missions before Apollo 11 to work out the bugs. But this guy wants to raw dog Artemis Mark 2?

>>16831728
what the fuck is up with the captcha taking forever

>>16831765
and when would EUS be ready? they aren't beating china with that plan
what a fucking joke, I really hope Trump doesn't get bamboozled by these people

SPACE SEX

SPACE


SEX


SPACE SEX

>>16831765
>launching both orion and the lander on one flight of the SLS
is he delusional?

>A report on Microwave Thermal Propulsion for space launch:

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20170009162

>>16831773
Part of the old, original reasoning behind the EUS was that you'd be able to co-manifest part of the lander with Orion. If we were still sticking with a lander design like the old National Team proposal EUS wouldn't seem like such a complete waste of money.

>>16831771
>"I'm ready to settle down and get crewed"

>>16831773
no, he is getting paid to lie i.e. lobby for oldspace

>>16831765
>Does Brilly realize
He's literally a paid shill, retard.
>>16831773
See above.

>>16831777
kek, its actually the depot that's the slut tho nice trips

>There's comparisons between propellant choices and ways to create SSTOs that only need 0.3-1 MW/kg to launch, followed by details of many successful small-scale demonstration flights.

Love to see Boron compounds in the hunt.

>>16831776
>part of the lander

Is there an official stream for this?

>>16831782
>Part of the crew

>>16831784
probably just going through the update >>16831717
its pretty long

>>16831785
I hope there is a vegan seat option.

Ngl HLS is very uninspired. Feels like NASA has a few bullet points they were looking for in a lander, and SX just went
>hmm okay just put chairs and an airlock/garage–and the rest can just be open space… who gives a shit

>>16831790
I still think it’s cool, though, for the record

>>16831790
>who gives a shit
In this case, that's entirely valid. No point in shoving in shit they don't need initially.

>>16831717
>The test series also measured the acoustic environments inside the cabin.

"The test was successful. We could barely hear the screams of the dying test subjects."

>>16831790
It's the minimum viable HLS, it'll get better

>>16831790
its up to nasa to put in the other stuff

>>16831790
first lunar lander
>broom closet
>no space
>claustrophobic
>barely any room to hang hammocks across

second lunar lander
>multistory penthouse
>so much space
>expansive
>room to hang a 6 meter circular hammock above the command deck

It's like poetry it rhymes

>>16831794
>>16831796
Yeah that’s the way I see it. It’s a flag and footprints, get the job done, pressure vessel. Like a skylab with legs and landing engines.
It’s still amazing though especially when pitted against the grumman LM and the soviet LK lander

>>16831785
It's missing is a small BBQ pit

What if Dragonfly fails to start its rotors upon EDL or the heatshield gets stuck after 6 years of travel?

>>16831721
>don't forget the 25 (TWENTY FIVE) launches, btw
The sounding rockets? The carnival rides? The suborbitals?

>>16831766
Why is there so much dust in space

>>16831804
>6 years of travel

gonna be like 1 or 2 with the meme drive

>>16831724
new to SpaceX, they didn't have a two-way dock before

>>16831717
>an androgynous spacex docking system capable of serving as the active system or passive
It's over, trans have won..

>>16831717
How do you view this? For me, the page ends after the "updates" picture.

>>16831725
>Starliner
>doesn't line the pockets of Boeing
>can't even achieve cost plus
lol

>>16831806
No women up there to clean it up

>>16831813
you can't scroll down? maybe test another browser or somethign

>>16831804
Shit happens man, I’ve been obsessed with following NASA launches and missions since the early 00s. You get used to the huge expectations and even bigger letdowns.
I used to think Delta II was big. I wore the pain of Mars Polar Lander failing. I was hurt when Deep Space 2 failed. I remember seeing Huygens losing its data uplink. I was completely ready for JWST to have a mission-ending origami unfolding error.
If you’re a train autist, you get the luxury of timely arrivals and fun, predictable, dopamine. To be a space autist, however, one must emulate buddha and let go

>>16831817
There is nowhere to scroll. Look at the scrollbar in my screenshot.

>>16831755
I couldn't watch that without Blue Danube playing in my head.

https://x.com/TurkeyBeaver/status/1983989321859526827

>spacex employees having fun and partying
>celebration of west coast launching 8 per month

>>16831820
i recognize that artist

>just let indian perverts hundreds of miles away into your home remotely saar
>just let them watch your prepubescent daughter while you are at work saar
>just let them take your credit card info from over your shoulder saar

HAHAHAHAH HOLY SHIT

>>16831765
>we're going to beat China to the Moon
apparently 1969 never happened

>>16831813
Looks like it's due to a bunch of errors.

>>16831824
its not dead if it can pick up a rifle and be sent to the battlefield

>>16831828
CSP was a mistake

>>16831824
Wrong thread?

>>16831824
AI remains the only problem in robotics.
You could put a Kuka arm on a Segway and it would be equally useful given the same software.

>>16831823
let me guess
he's famous for some sort of degenerate porn

Gwynne post

>>16831717
https://x.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1983927985242583455

>"In response to the latest calls, we’ve shared and are formally assessing a simplified mission architecture and concept of operations that we believe will result in a faster return to the Moon while simultaneously improving crew safety."

Whats it gonna be?

>>16831840
>hugely extensive
tone it down faggot

>>16831838
OMG! she's part of the Artemis III crew

>>16831843
dragon + starship

>>16831824
those beady eyes are creepy as hell
the fact there's a jeet with a some degree of anonymity behind them is straight up nightmarish

just move to Qatar and buy yourself a Filipino with stolen passport if you are that desperate for a house slave

>>16831838
https://x.com/Gwynne_Shotwell/status/1983988280434815073

lol

https://x.com/FutureJurvetson/status/1983965560569524489
>I did not take photos on my last few visits to it, but I did bounce around a few years ago inside the shell, pre-build

>>16831824
It's always
>Actual Indians

I cannot understand being an EDSfag and a spaceflight fan at the same time. How can you not love SpaceX?

>>16831849
Didn't she say at one time that she personally would rather visit the Moon than Mars?

>>16831854
Cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug

>>16831855
I would to, cause you still get to look at Earth

>>16831854
That’s kind of how I am with Bezos and BO. At this point I think I would be pretty much incapable of recognizing where any credit would be do.
To be fair though, I think at this point I am still being reasonable because everything they do is retarded

>exit cuckpod
>enter grand hall

space sex

>>16831875
Spayed sex??

>>16831875
It was all leading up to this. The sole purpose of SpaceSEX.

Mars, aside I have a hard time believing that SpaceX could fail to land on the Moon before China (2030). Even if Starshit V3 sharts the bed three times in a row like V2 did, they would still make it before them.

>>16831855
You don't "visit" Mars.
You embark in a long voyage that take years.

>>16831880
the only real question mark is orbital refilling which I think gets catastrophized way more than it needs to
is it actually a more difficult engineering problem than what SpaceX has already done? I don't really think so, seems pretty simple actually

>>16831889
If you can dock to the ISS with a capsule, you should be able to dock two of your near-identical ships together, yeah.

>>16831891
Ideas are easier than implementation.

>>16831893
nice... but I feel like its missing something

>>16831893
What's going on with these different Superheavy variations?

>>16831894
But we have been rondeyvooing in space for decades. I don't see how this would be any different other than relighting your engines to create thrust, which we also have been doing for decades and is proven with Raptor.

>>16831889
No they'll just let out the pressure from the depot and have the ullage pressure from the tanker push it in.
It's not that hard.

>>16831896
It's the same booster from the back.
Let me guess, you cannot imagine an apple?

>>16831897
We've also launched rockets for decades. Have had hundreds of landings with booster. Yet, Starship still had issues even with SpaceX own expertise. The ships are different. The dockings are different.

Implementation will likely have some issues, more likely than not. Implementation is harder than ideas.

>>16831717
I wonder if they've been so (relatively) secretive about all this because HLS publicity is actually a decent negotiating tool. I feel like the timing on this was explicitly to make Duffy look like a tool and strengthen the Isaacman renomination chances.

>>16831900
>The dockings are different.
It's literally not though. The launch vehicle is drastically different to what we've had until now, but once you're in orbit everything is pretty much the same. First docking and fuel transfer test will go perfectly as planned, mark my words.

>>16831900
starship is something completely new for SpaceX (and in general), it isn't simply launching rockets
they didn't really have that much problems with landing the booster
docking in space is not new

>>16831903
>Mark my words
Who the fuck are you?

>>16831894
Not an argument.

>>16831901
>secretive
This is just a case of lacking object permanence.
How did you expect to see the landing leg demonstrations or ECLSS or crew cabin mockups?
They're not in a place where you could see them.
>timing
Yes obviously the Duffy shit prompted this post.

>>16831714 (OP)
Data centers in Mercuries orbit is the future.

>Ideas are easier than implementation.
They caught a booster out of the air on the first try, clown.

>>16831906
Mark. Who the fuck are you?

>>16831911
They got lucky. Just because they did one thing does not mean they will do another thing.

>>16831914
lmao

>>16831889
Apparently they transferred 5 tons of prop in their intra-ship tank-to-tank transfer test last year.

>>16831717
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1983923841614111119

>>16831919
EDS-sisters, our response?

>>16831843
SLS-Orion replaced with Falcon-Dragon and expendible tankers to lower the number of needed flights.

>>16831920
40 refueling flights muskrat

>>16831921
how do you get back to the dragon in leo?

>>16831923
you will never be a woman

>>16831899
>It's the same booster from the back.
There's no need to be nasty. I had thought that the arrangement of the HLS ship and regular Starships would be the same, but putting the HLS hardware "heat shield side out" makes sense in hindsight, since there's no need for boarding capability but all the autogenous, FTS, and data lines are still needed.

>>16831927
>There's no need to be nasty
I'm sorry sweetheart.
The QD on the HLS ship is on the back because it would be in the way of the elevator tracks.

>>16831895
Where are the radiators?

>>16831925
jump

>>16831930
no not that, I mean the webm itself....

>>16831932
It's missing nothing. N O T H I N G.

>>16831930
There panel you can see the cutouts when you zoom in.
These will deploy Starlink solar panels and radiators probably.
Or just dump waste heat into the big bath of propellant.

>>16831765
https://spacenews.com/former-nasa-administrators-call-for-changes-in-artemis-lunar-lander-architecture/

https://archive.is/8feBB

>In a fireside chat at the American Astronautical Society’s von Braun Space Exploration Symposium on Oct. 29, former administrators Charlie Bolden and Jim Bridenstine expressed skepticism that NASA’s current Artemis architecture, using Starship to ferry astronauts to and from the lunar surface, can succeed before the first projected Chinese crewed landing later this decade.
>“How did we get back here where we now need 11 launches to get one crew to the moon?” he said, referring to the multiple refueling flights needed for Starship. “We’re never going to get there.”

would be really, really funny if the 11 launch thing gets resolved by just ditching Orion and the whole going into NRHO rigamarole

https://russianspaceweb.com/soyuz-ms-28.html
>The Soyuz MS-28 spacecraft, carrying two Russian cosmonauts and a US astronaut to the International Space Station was set for launch from Cosmodrome Baikonur on Nov. 27, 2025. The mission was originally supposed to use Soyuz-MS vehicle No. 759, which was the next on the assembly line at RKK Energia's ZEM factory in Korolev, near Moscow. However, during routine post-production tests at ZEM's Checkout and Test Facility Vehicle No. 759 reportedly suffered major damage to its thermal protection system which could not be repaired in time for the Expedition 74 launch. According to one source the ship's main thermal control heat shield, attached to the base of the Descent Module, was accidentally jettisoned, perhaps by a stray signal triggering the pyrotechnic bolts, connecting the Frisbee-shaped structure to the capsule. According to another source, the thermal layers of the shield peeled off, as a result of botched thermal tests.

>As of late October 2025 neither Roskosmos nor the official media had confirmed the fact of an incident, but the photos of the Soyuz MS-28 spacecraft undergoing processing in Baikonur, which accompanied press-releases about the launch campaign, showed No. 753 on the flight-worthy ship. That particular Soyuz-MS was initially reserved for "tourist" missions, but after the last hopes for commercialization of the Russian space flight had evaporated due to the quagmire in Ukraine, Roskosmos was free to press Vehicle No. 753 back into routine service for the ISS. The incident with Vehicle No. 759 provided an opportunity to use the mothballed ship, before some of its critical systems would go beyond warranty.

>>16831929
More like the windows and hatch and elevator are on the back (the heat shield side) because of the QD being at the leeward side.
And they wanted to show the interesting side in the render.

>>16831936
or even just boiloff itself being less of a problem than assumed for Starship, no one still knows how its actually gonna go yet, also SpaceX hinting at working on zero-boiloff too in the update

>>16831936
even with 11 fueling flights with fully expended starships at 120M each it's *still* cheaper than sls at 4B a launch

>>16831936
11 is already extremely generous, it'll be more.
But SpaceX will be spamming depot refilling flights anyway independent of Artemis so it's fine.

>>16831941
>fully expended starships at 120M each
They can launch reusably faster than they can build new ones.
Obviously.
So they will be reused.

>>16831940
>boiloff itself being less of a problem than assumed
Assumed by whom? Trannies on xitter and reddit?
Do they not know about the square cube law?

>>16831944
No shit sherlock that isnt my point.

https://x.com/heospace/status/1984013693068214373
>HTV-X closing in on the International Space Station. From orbit, we captured Japan’s new cargo ship carrying out its first rendezvous and capture. Congrats to JAXA on the successful first mission!

https://x.com/CharlieCamarda/status/1983946593540669893

https://www.youtube.com/live/UE1Z0OBNDR8

this dude (space shuttle astronaut) is worried about the heatshield apparently (which NASA has just handwaved away by saying they are going to fly a less intensive trajectory)

>>16831949
A good character can be instantly recognized from its silhouette

>>16831946
the retards saying it will be a problem and require not just initial 11 or 14 or 20 whatever launches but additional launches to refill due to boiloff if there are delays

25 launches in 2025 btw

>>16831952
He's always posting like that and a huge Musk fan I think.
Not sure how valuable his opinion is actually.

>>16831936
Does the article point out their conflict of interest?

This does not bode well for Starliner

I have a business idea for the CLPS program. Sperm or Embryos to the Moon and back, then you can claim your kids were on the Moon.

>>16831952
Is he retarded? Killing astronauts is NASA's job.

>>16831956
Uhmm.. ACTUALLY IT WAS JUST the MAXIMUM According THE FAA! LOOK NOW YOU LOOK STUPID! BTW THE FAA IS HOLDING THE STARSHIP BACK! I AM VERY INTELLIGENT!

>>16831937
They accidentally hit space bar

https://x.com/spoxspace/status/1983966311928733891
>Super interesting (mostly nerdy) find about HLS is the Engine Diagram on the GUI. You can see the 3 sea-level engines, 3 vacuum engines, and the 6 packs of upper-landing engines. 4 of these packs have 4 engines, while the 2 others (opposite of each other) have 5.

>>16831965
you're dancing uncontrollably

New Glenn is erected... Felon Huskies can't stop losing.

>>16831962
Thank god this wont happen to SpaceX right... right?

I want nothing more at this point than for SpaceX to just do their own moon mission with just Starship.

I WILL take my last breath on the shores of Kraken Mare.

>>16831952
it'll be fine
>>16831964
Need Another Seven Astronauts

>>16831970
no they have competent management with aligned incentives as opposed to being run by wall street.

>>16831960
no, not in the slightest actually
they are only named as former administrators and when they had their terms (Bridenstine during Trump, Bolden during Obama)
the absence of their current employment is made even starker when you are aware of the conflict of interest when you juxtapose it against the other names mentioned later in the article, whose current employment is very clearly talked about (this pic >>16831938 )
Bob Behnken for instance is only named with respect to his current employment, it isn't even mentioned that he is a former astronaut

kind of makes me question the neutrality of Jeff Foust at this point to be honest and to top it all of, this article is behind a paywall

>>16831976
>kind of makes me question the neutrality of Jeff Foust at this point
He's probably just a retard like most space journalists.

https://x.com/tony873004/status/1984002706458263620
>A quick trip through the thermosphere turns newly-discovered asteroid ST25J47 from an Apollo to an Aten. It is no bigger than a meter.

>>16831980
Bergoid isn't the sharpest tool either.
Captcha server shitting itself.

https://x.com/tony873004/status/1984020328746774853
>The asteroid is now known as 2025 UC11. This animation shows where the observations were made

>>16831984
He flip-flops between being sharp and sounding like he just started getting into spaceflight. I'm convinced he has multiple personalities.

>>16831976
though apparently Bolden isn't actually getting paid for lobbying for old space
I guess he does it for free

>>16831986
Journalists write things people want to read, they don't write to boast about themselves.

>>16831989
>Journalists write things people want to read
do they though

>>16831989
>Journalists write things people want to read
they write things they want people to think retard

>>16831990
At least they try, that doesn't mean you are the intended public.

JELLO BABIES
thanks

>>16831980
Most if not all journalists in general

>>16831785
I hope elon is starting a woodgrain phase

>>16831849
>nav lights are blue and red instead of green and red

I dont know how I feel about this

>>16831991
no starship pfp. it's so over.

>>16831869
Do people here actually hate jeff though? I have nothing nice to say about him, but I don't even keep jeff or controversies during his legacy in memory. I just don't think about him much at all. I really only care that his rocket works so he can price war with spacex.

>>16831765
>SLS to test lander
>SLS for Orion
>SLS for lander
It takes 2 years to launch a SLS minimum, So this plan would take 6 years after Artemis 2 minimum, right? So 2032?

>>16831871
>No, no! All of you, you're the crazy ones! We have everything we need in the cuck pod right here. I'm staying right here where I belong. Just take my wife.

>>16832003
its a cybercab panel and below it text that says "the future is autonomous"
teslas shareholder meeting is one week away where shareholders vote (or have already voted) if Musk will get his 2025 compensation package (the trillion dollar package, though its not so simple)

So, Anca Faur Aldrin, wife of astronaut Buzz Aldrin, died at 66

>>16831998
Wait didn't that Japanese billionaire want wooden decorations for Dear Moon, but SpaceX said no because it was a fire hazard?

>>16832015
just use wood that's already burned, problem solved

>>16832012
what a disgusting age gap, she was young enough to be his daughter when she died

>>16831714 (OP)
Felon Huskies are afraid of watching the New Glenn static fire that is about to happen...

>>16832009
anon, are you okay?

>>16832021
>>>/ck/

>>16832001
Those aren't nav lights. It's the space police.

>>16832022
>>16832026
can they static fire in the rain?

>>16832031
I don't see why not.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

ASTRONAUTS PANICKING

ARTEMIS 2 DEATH TRAP LIKE SHUTTLE

aborted static fire?

what *is* their endgame?

>>16832063
Aesthetic and operations choice: look more futuristic (Elon's vision thereof), and show that EVs are good fleet vehicles. Or maybe see all the practical shortcomings from using them that way.

>>16832063
cybertruck was a financial failure

>>16832067
source?

Imagine if it just exploded
>>16832004
Yes he’s retarded and extremely incompetent and a net negative to the advancement of space flight

All that you need is a ticket
Come on -- Big Boy
Ten cents a dance

>>16832063
Rug-pulling the entire earth with history’s most overvalued stock and then escaping to mars

>Sandhill’s first meet circa 2022. Using Astro Society’s “Toilet Paper Solar System” to build a scale model of our cosmic neighborhood

(Insert Uranus Joke Here)

>>16832091
Respectable.

>>16832095
turds are asteroids

>>16832090
it's only a dime

>>16832095
who the fuck still wears a mask

>>16832014
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1984068126062080070
>New time is now something like 9:52 pm ET for Blue's New Glenn hot fire attempt. I believe the window can extend almost to midnight, if need be.

Another attempt might be coming up

>>16831985
"Up up -- and Away!"

>>16832106
Valetudinarian rich white people who are also theater kids and leftist

https://x.com/dsshhh112/status/1984076799207502169
>A Long March-7A has been transported to the launch tower.

>>16832111
that woman and kid's skin tone is too olive to be white

>>16832110
so thats how these fuckers go interstellar

>>16832113
This is the one for Escape right

>>16832113
what's up with the gator photoshopped(?) onto the fairing?

> Our findings suggest that the region holds around 1.2 trillion cubic meters of ice below the surface.

Time for a Martian NHL expansion team.

>>16832122
Yep

>>16832124
thats where life is then, we wont be allowed to settle there

>>16832123
I thought it was that jak squirrel at first.

>>16832124
imagine a starship with 1.2trillion m^3 of pressurized volume.

>>16832129
That's NUTS

>>16831726
who do you think Jeff who blames for not being able to go to space?

>>16832113
>>16832123

>>16831843
No SLS, no Orion. Full Starship architecture, or at the very least, Starship + Dragon architecture.

>>16831925
This is a good question and I havent heard a great answer. HLS as pitched should only have enough fuel to return to LLO as I understand. And if it doesnt have a heatshield, it cant do the return from lunar orbit. Dragon doesnt have a lunar capable heatshield either (doesnt need one if it stays in LEO). But barring refuelling in LLO with a second tanker (how is that fucker getting refueled?) I dont see how 50 Starship refuel flights makes a lunar missions simpler or faster execution

>>16831824
This was obvious. The demo video literally had indians in a call center responding via the robot.

>>16831917
Why did they (and NASA) keep this a secret till now?

>>16831936
Et tu, Jim?

>>16832154
lel

>>16831952
honestly we should be killing more astronauts. it needs to be normalized

>>16832159
does it need to be heatshield related? or can we can just have them shoot eachother while they're on the iss?

>>16832090
They named their symposium after a fr*cking nazi?

>>16832106
>2022
lots

>>16832161
Ideally ramp up the latter first, and they cant use guns, or they'll ban guns in space. need to use fists or essential objects like screwdrivers. then while everyone is distracted, ramp up heatshield deaths. then finally, ramp up space gun deaths.

>>16831952
don't worry, somehow Musk will be blamed if they all die.

Spacex will land hls on the moon with raptors alone. no gay thrusters. zubrin will piss and shit himself

>>16832123
>>16832134
photography niggers should be shot

>>16832188
I genuinely like nooglin, I wish it had started flying in 2016

>>16832188
i love you, alive girl

>>16832190
it has the potential to be the second best rocket in the world, I really hope it can make that happen

>>16832190
>I wish it had started flying in 2016
this but SLS Orion

>>16832203
reddit fanfiction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHVgi5H5i1s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I8Z36gytLI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hizfmyo2OaM

>>16832210
wrong
>“They’ve been very quiet about it,” Davenport says in the latest episode of the Fiction Science podcast. “I asked Jeff specifically about that at the New Glenn launch, and he didn’t want to talk about it.”
>In the book, he quotes Bezos as saying only that “we are working on a vehicle that will come after New Glenn and lift more mass.”

>>16832214
yes, New Armstrong was first mentioned 9 years ago. to this day there remain zero public specs, renders, or even DOD powerpoints. for all intents and purposes, it is fiction

https://www.nasa.gov/image-article/nasas-juno-mission-captures-lightning-on-jupiter/
Slop account alerted me to this image from 2020 of lightning of Jupiter

>>16832216
That quote is from this year. Also, Blue Origin and Bezos are way more secretive than Musk/SpaceX, of course they aren't going to reveal much of what they are working on, so your whole argument means nothing.

>>16832200
Are those vibrations normal? I don't remember seeing them in spacex static fires.

>>16832113
kino

>>16832124
Phlegra Montes is 100% going to be the SX landing site. God I can't wait for when we start exploring Martian glaciers on foot instead of fucking highland craters for the billionth time.

>>16832221
The quote referred to in Davenport's book took place 9 years ago. They are not more secretive, they simply don't have anything to show, and if they did, they would show it. Fanboys call it "secretive" but it's just cope. As soon as Blue had actual hardware, they've paraded the shit out of it, including mockups.

>>16832106
Maybe the kid is sick.

>>16832280
That's preposterous.

>>16832281
Maybe the kid doesn't want to be identified

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJfAD1e8gEY
>Who's in charge of terminating a rocket?

>>16832294
And Optimus with DECtalk TTS will be there. aeiou.

the spacex update mentioned that Raptor V2 has run for 226k seconds and Raptor V3 for 40k seconds

https://youtu.be/a2CqnWdectE
This is the best YouTube channel

test

chinese launch to their space station in like 5 hours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdKgnrcGDVU

>>16832296
Notice no one at Ars could find the time to put up an article today about this rather big space news. Guess they didn't want to take the blowback from their Elon hating subscribers.

>>16832314
probably just writing a longer article and/or asking around for what the proposals for hastened timelines submitted by SpaceX and BO are
and if they in fact skip SLS and Orion entirely

>>16832225
It's the camera vibrating

>>16832314
They never go for the latest news they usually do it after a day with more accuracy.

>>16832213
>tile the USA with solar panels. (embed)

I hate solar fags so much it's unreal

>>16832305
These stats doesn't take into account test firing for these engines though. Only flight time

>>16832306
not gonna spend the time to watch this but consider how foreign a species that has knowledge of life after death would be to us. They would care little for individual lives, or ending them, and wonder why we care so much about staying alive.

Imagine what a species capable of literal groupthink would be like. A virtual hivemind where every individual is connected telepathically (higher communication bandwidth) through the use of advanced technology. how would they view individuality?

>>16832330
>These stats doesn't take into account test firing for these engines though. Only flight time. No, I don't even know Raptor 3 hasn't flown yet, completely contradicting my statement.

>>16832330
it depends but according to grok they mostly do

>>16832329
China will bulldoze your country and shit on you

>>16832335
You couldn't sanity check that yourself? You needed AI?

Found the Great Filter.

>>16832335
Grok types like Elon

>>16832331
I only seek knowledge of the xeno to better understand how they can be killed.

>>16832342
the stats were from grok in the first place (or aggregrated by it)
why the fuck would I waste hours checking on something that takes a minute or two with a LLM? are you retarded?

>>16832334
Absolute subhuman retard, you think they all got the same source or some shit? Some engines have only flight time. Some have pure guesses of test firings. Some have both. You think grok is going to know how many seconds of test firings some Soviet 1960's engines had before it launched or some shit?

>>16832354
>I'm still going to keep insisting that Raptor 3 has flown and you can't stop me!

We can't, but you should.

>>16832347
>Why would I want to not be wrong?

>>16832193
no it doesn't
SpaceX will have both the best and the second best rocket in the world forever

>>16832347
>why the fuck would I waste hours checking on something that takes a minute or two with a LLM?
Faustian Spirit

>>16832360
The whole SpaceX plan is to EOL F9 after/if Starship becomes operational. They're all about the cost down. They'll be a one rocket company with a family of variants.

Theoretically.

>>16832362
wasting time isn't the faustian spirit

>>16832347
Because the LLM makes shit up

I'm just here to gloat, I told you retards a single starship design for LEO, Lunar landing and fuel launches was retarded.
They are going to end up being completely different vehicles with similar external dimensions so Musk can convince braindead investors it's going to have low development costs.

>>16832363
Is that New Gland on film?

>>16832367
My assumption is that there will always be an operational and in development rocket or a phasing in and phasing out rocket.
Elon is already talking about v4

>be me
>giant flagship NASA rocket
>everyone hypes me up for starting the next era in US spaceflight
>design changes every year until engineers agree on a bullshit underperforming design
>ground systems constantly redesigned
>costs spiral out of control but can’t cancel me because i make jobs or something
>first launch keeps getting delayed because of technical stuff
>finally roll out to pad
>scrubbed *again* for months because of a valve
>try again a few weeks later
>anotherleak.jpg
>nobody cares, just send it
>pointless demo mission accomplished
>years later heatshield risks astronaut lives

>be SLS
>pic unrelated

>>16832379
>everyone hypes me up for starting the next era in US spaceflight
>shittle derived
No one expected a hydrolox first stage to be great except shuttle contractors that keep getting paid.

https://x.com/AJ_FI/status/1984233205457911966
>Shenzhou-21 is launching from Jiuquan at 1544 UTC today (11:44 am Eastern) with astronauts Zhang Lu, Wu Fei and Zhang Hongzhang heading to Tiangong space station.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj8oB84Twkk

>Venus doesn't have any water, just trust me bro
So why is the planet covered in white clouds then?

>>16832387
poorly run? how much should it be then
they are building a lot of infrastructure

>>16832388
Anon loves troll posts so much he spends hours on twitter looking for the worst to repost here

>>16832393
the dude in that post works for lockheed martin, hates musk and has done these "debunking" style videos of almost each starship flight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiF2Jr50zOk

Uh oh

the SLS is legitimate in so far as it's a bargaining chip for dealing with elon.
obviously spaceX makes better rokets, and has been for a while now.
having their own rocket to fall back on means that elon can't charge whatever he wants for future missions.

remember when he got mad at trump over the epstein thing and threatened to leave those astronauts on the ISS?
that's what he does when you're crew draggin your feet developing a system that works.
most of the time spaceX's shit is really good though.

>>16832396
It must be miserable to live like this. They're constantly trying to exist in a superimposed state of never caring about the thing they're always posting about. The only people who can center their entire lives around something they hate are bitter shrews that have no soul.

>>16832400
SLS isn't something you can fall back on, its basically useless for anything other than being a jobs program
you need actually something workable for a real bargaining chip, like another company that has some cadence

>>16832400
SLS and Starship are both trash, Starship could be saved by ditching second stage reuse so the header tanks can be removed and it can have a normal fairing instead of the useless slot.

>>16832402
>trannysky

>>16832405
you're retarded

>>16832400
>remember when he got mad at trump over the epstein thing and threatened to leave those astronauts on the ISS?
I remember the opposite. With Trump threatening to cancel SpaceX contracts and Elon taking those as matter of fact and cancelling Dragon

>>16832407
>we made a super heavy lift but can't launch conventional payloads because we made the same mistake as the shuttle
Explain why I'm wrong.

>>16832387
>блycкий
opinion disregarded

>>16832410
what's a "conventional" payload, and why wouldn't the shuttle or spaceship be able to launch it?

>>16832410
a conventional generic cargo starship hasn't been seen
if that requires moving the tanks away from the nosecone, then they will do that

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1984250349436416234

TOTAL SLS DEATH

>>16832414
One designed to go into a fairing and can be paired with a kick stage inside that fairing if required.

>>16832415
The header tanks have to be at the top for CG control during the belly flop, move the tanks and you lose reuse.
Given how many penalties second stage reuse applies and the history of shuttle refurb I just don't see it being worth while. Sure you can use 3 or 4 standardized tiles and get economies of scale to reduce refurb costs but as soon as it required header tanks it became a massive drawback.

Maybe they can come up with a different second stage with the center of pressure moved further aft but as it stands it doesn't look good.

>>16832423
SLS is really starting to feel like the N-1 in 1968. It's technologically suspect and all of the politically influential people who supported it in the beginning are gone, but it keeps staggering onwards on inertia alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCJyKadETRo
Crew are all onboard, T-2:00:00

Member $20 epic bacon?

>>16832425
>One designed to go into a fairing and can be paired with a kick stage inside that fairing if required.
I've done that dozens of times with in-line cargo bays in ksp, clearly this is a skill issue.
just push the payload out sideways so it's parallel with the launch sytem and fire the booster.
or simply angle it if you're in a videogame where aiming thrusters at your launch system is not a concern.

>>16832425
>The header tanks have to be at the top for CG control during the belly flop, move the tanks and you lose reuse.
this is some kind of law of nature? lol please, assuming that the header tanks are even a problem for a conventional payload
you just keep making these unfounded assumptions and then run with it

>>16832424
How did the idea of data centers in space even start? Did someone say "solar panels are 4 times as efficent so it's worth 100x the construction cost"?

>>16832432
>in KSP
Please be joking, it's a great game and realism overhaul makes it a decent orbital sim but it doesn't have finite element analysis.

>>16832433
>this is some kind of law of nature?
Yeah, if you need weight at the top you can't have a light weight top.

>>16832423
I want them to land the first time as a test, and then robots come out and build a landing pad 100m away so that they can land the next time with full thrusters.

>>16832436
>How did the idea of data centers in space even start?
Remember solar freaking roadways? Probably something like that.
"We can do it IN SPAAAAACE!"

SLS and Starship engineers hate each other[0] when they should really settle their differences, compromise, and work together for the good of the country.
[0] both see the other vehicle as impeding America's capabilities

>>16832436
i'm half joking, i actually don't know much about the parts of spaceflight that ksp does not simulate.
what's the issue with in-line bays for cargo with a booster on it if it's not having something in the way?
do non-reusable fairings do a better job at holding the little sensitive bits of the payload in place during the launch, than a reusable bay where you're not allowed to attach a strut just about anywhere?

>>16832441
No, it's because space doesn't have NIMBYS that whine about power, water and pollution

>>16832436
It's the same thing as space-based solar power. A lot of people wanted to build terrestrial datacenters but then saw just how much regulation and compliance bullshit was involved in doing that. Then they saw that almost none of that bureaucracy tithe was applicable to space-based projects, making those unnaturally economically competitive.

>>16832447
astroonomers will complain real quick about blocking their view

>>16832448
Space based solar still requires a lot of extra infrastructure on earth to receive that power
Data center do not (relatively speaking)

>>16832450
40k starlinks +40k compute hosting satellites with high speed inter-satellite lasers

>>16831765
Is he retarded? Starliner can't get astronauts to the space station and bring them back and he wants them to build a moon lander.

>>16832424
But the expert space engineers in /sfg/ insisted space servers are impossible. Because radiators.

>>16832451
Space based solar was a viable idea when you combine the amount of regulation pilled onto nuclear power with the oil embargo energy crisis of the late 70s. Like with space data centers the conditions that made it attractive were all political creations.

>>16832443
>what's the issue with in-line bays for cargo with a booster
If you have massive doors like the shuttle you need to strengthen the spine increasing weight, if you have small doors you have a heavy lift that can only launch small payloads.

>do non-reusable fairings do a better job at holding the little sensitive bits of the payload in place during the launch
Any dropped fairing reuseable or not gets a decent chunk of mass staged off the rocket about 1/3rd of the way to orbit increasing deltaV and also drastically increasing payload to high energy orbits if you stick a kick stage in there. With fairings you can also fire the kick as soon as the second stage burns out increasing the Oberth effect.

>>16832447
>>16832448
>space is easier than buying politicians to let you do whatever you want
Doubt.

>>16832458
Not impossible just not economically viable, cap this post so you can mock me when 1% of global compute is in LEO, my best guess would be about the time our 20th O'Neill cylinder goes up ie. 200+ years from now.

>>16832464
That cargo door on HLS looks about shuttle sized.

>>16832436
there are other ways to change the center of gravity IF that is truly the only way to do this
for some reason you just assume this is the only way, it won't work and there is no way to fix it if it truly doesn't work
all of these assumptions are unsubstianted BS

>>16831871
This is like crossing the Atlantic on a rowboat, then when you reach the shore you transfer to a yacht to dock at a pier

>>16832465
Yes and shuttle was second stage reuse, bay doored and shit.

>>16832467
For aerodynamic stability you need to have the center of pressure behind the center of mass, you can do this how the shuttle did by using large delta wings to push the CoP back or like Starship by bringing the CoM forward.
The fact I have to explain this in /sfg/ makes me realize how /pol/brained this whole site has gotten over the last decade.

>>16832464
Space isn't easier; that's the problem. People will suck a bunch of VC types dry because right now it looks like space datacenters are the more economical option, but building multi-kilometer arrays in space has a energy cost set by physics and something like starship can only do so much to get around that. Getting rid of political obstacles is much cheaper and will become fairly straightforward once there's a political incentive to do so (not get lapped by China in the datacenter race). But until then people are going to keep promoting the idea and they won't be entirely wrong in their arguments.

>>16832473
yes, and there are many ways to affect the center of pressure and mass
you seem to think that the only option is either have the tanks at the nose or not and thats fucking it
nothing else they can do

>>16832476
So the engineers at SpaceX were faced with this problem and the answer was header tanks despite all the drawbacks, what is your better answer?

>>16832477
the header tanks were a solution for a starlink dispenser/tanker, like I initially said the conventional ship could be very different
just like the depot and HLS are
you live in a box

https://x.com/robert_savitsky/status/1984247953763295458
>Soyuz-2.1a rocket for Soyuz MS-28 mission was assembled at Baikonur.

>>16832480
>you live in a box
Yes, know physics.

>>16832399
spacex is probably one of many winners right? even if they arent building the sats they're going to get the contract to launch them because there's no other option. but if they are involved in sat production then they are probably one of multiple vendors who will have to work together.

>>16832481
>>16832484
She's old but I do love the R7 family.

>>16832399
>>16832488
SpaceX gets $100M deal.
Lockheed get $500M deal.
Amazon gets $1B deal.

Headline: "MUSK SET TO WIN GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES!!!"

>>16832473
>For aerodynamic stability you need to have the center of pressure behind the center of mass,

Stable aircraft have been succeeded by modern unstable aircraft managed by computerized flight controls for over half a century. Get with the times.

>>16832458
>spacex is going to be building data centers in space
well i guess if anyone can figure it out its spacex

>>16832489
She's got a bigger upper stage, modernized engines, and a digital flight computer, but she's fundamentally still the same rocket that launched Sputnik and Gagarin.

>>16832458
I do like the idea of solar powered AI datacenters in orbit, but it won't be an easy venture. Doesn't mean that it should be done, I just don't think this will happen soon.

>>16832493
>relaxed stability through control surfaces during reentery

>>16832496
It's funny that the soviets making a huge ICBM due to heavier warheads lead to a LV perfectly sized to be upgraded and used for half a century.
I kind of wish the claps had kept playing with the Titan.

>>16832499
Maybe you should do some reading on how Shuttled managed flight control on reentry.

Bonus Round: Managing flight control with a shifted CG after payload deployment.

>>16832358
why

>>16832503
The statically stable shuttle with the CoP pushed aft by the huge delta wings?

>>16832399
>Elon Musk's SpaceX
haha, they always say it this way when it's a hit piece.

>>16832507
They always do when it's a private company with a majority stakeholder.
https://gizmodo.com/nasa-may-let-bezos-do-what-musk-is-struggling-to-deliver-land-astronauts-on-the-moon-2000678930

>>16832509
When it's about a 'success' that is difficult to ignore, like Demo-2 or the chopsticks capture, they simply call it SpaceX.

>>16832428
T-60:00

>>16832512
To be fair the largest donor to the presidents campaign getting government contracts should be news, I just think it should always be news if it's Bloomberg getting contracts from Biden or Musk getting contracts from Trump.
We are reaching thirdie levels of corruption and everyone is fine with it.

>>16832513
WTF THERE ARE WHITE PIXELS AT TOP RIGHT?!?!? WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU

>>16832436
My pet theory is that the whole datacenters-in-space thing is a way to raise Blue origin/Spacex stock prices by skimming on the AI craze.
>>16832458
No way that they are impossible, but you would have to radiate a lot of heat--which is the main hurdle. The upside would be plenty of energy and free real estate. A quick search tells me that the ISS generates 240 kW in the sunlight (or 84~120 kW average) with 20 year old solar panels and a 1,000 square feet datacenter consumes 10~50 kW. And you have to radiate all that.

>>16832519
It's where the CCP hides their zero-click malware, don't hover your cursor over it!

>>16832520
>Spacex stock prices
it's privately traded, the stock price is irrelevant

>>16832520
>>16832522
they still benefit from this effect

>>16832520
>skimming on the AI craze
Makes sense.

>>16832522
While it isn't strickly "stock price" building hype helps him trade less of SpaceX for more VC.

Ars finally got an HLS article up. Unfortunately, by their "Actually I hate Elon too" space reporter:

https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/10/as-pressure-mounts-spacex-insists-starship-is-fastest-path-to-moon-landing/

>>16832520
You can do distributed compute constellations using starlink as the network backbone. making your data center one big satellite is retarded. more complexity, single point of failure, more vulnerable to space debris, etc

>>16832527
Of course he had to use the word 'delays' in the title, of course.

>>16832494
what musk is describing sounds like non-monolithic
according to wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink#v2_(initial_deployment) (the source is some FCC filing from 2022 in a table, scroll down) the solar panel area is 256.94 m^2 for a V2 (in 2022 bound for starship) which I guess is v3 in the pic from eyeballing the sizes roughly i.e. 8.1m x1 panel, 12.8m x 2 panels and 20.2m x 2 panels on the wikipedia table

the 256.94 m^2 of solar panel area translates to about 71kW according to grok and LLM inference focused data centers are in the 50-60MW range, i.e. you would need about 1k V3 sized satellites to have roughly the same power as a big ground based data center, assuming the overheads for power etc are similar
then if you need a similar area for heat rejection, you would need roughly 2x the mass so can launch half as many compute-links or whatever vs v3 starlinks with starship
a 50-60MW data center is about 1.5bil with one third of that in chips, so launching 1k satellites would have to cost on the order of 1bil to manufacture and launch, which translates to 1mil per satellite

currently manucturing + launching v2minis is about 1-1.5 mil in total with F9, launch is about half of that cost (lets say 700k), those are about 1 tonne each, a v3 is about 2 tonnes and the compute-links would be about double that again due to radiators, so with F9 would be around 3mil just to launch
so if Starship can bring costs down 5-10x of F9, then maybe a compute-link could be competitive with a ground based data center (with massive handwaving)

>>16832528
Putting data centers in space is retarded, even when orbital construction is common it'll still make more sense to leave the heavy compute on earth and just transmit the results to LEO.

>>16832520
And we explained to you last time why ISS is not applicable to Starserver.

>>16832528
Yeah, I was pondering that during lunch, would also save on assembling costs.
>>16832535
Been away from two weeks, so I'm not sure when was the last time this was debated (and I've never argued about it anywhere anyway). I just used the ISS as an example of how much power you can generate in space for a given size/weight.

Okay where is this joke coming from? Did an alligator really get blasted out of the flame trench in Florida?
Or are BOfags just trying to be cute and astroturf a new esoteric in-joke

>>16832538
it saves on way more than that. you don't have to worry about your data center becoming obsolete and you also don't have to worry about over/underbuilding because you can just scale with demand

Happy Halloween, /sfg/!

>>16832428
T-15:00

>>16832544
>I just realized that today is Halloween thanks to esefgee
huh, i don't know how sad that is.

>>16832546
Chinese launch infrastructure looks so chinky

>>16832548
Didn't you pick up any candy for trick-or-treaters?

>>16832527
Musk gave his ultimatum now that they're cancelling the contracts.

>Go SpaceX or go with National Team
SpaceX will build out a city of their own regardless and shit on NASA if they arent chosen

Pad b is a long way away, but still, I spehs

>>16832554
I predict it will take them 2 years to rebuild the Pad B. Its impossible for them to build it faster

>>16832554
lol this pic is like 6months old

>>16832555
Alpha Beta the only choice

>>16832555
Tycho Under

Things are falling off!

>>16832555
Audacity-chads, we won

>>16832555
>End Evour
>Ad Venture
>Odis Ayyy

>>16832565
kino!
it sounds like China has added microphones to all their stages. Heard all the engines shut down before jettison.

>>16832565
I knew it all along that moon was just a projection

>>16832555
Minis Ithil, or generally just call it Ithilien.
Moon Base Alpha is cool, but it sort of just evokes “international space station,” not an establishment/city intended to grow and house thousands one day

>>16832570
partnership with nvidia to put compute on starlink sats

https://x.com/lrocket/status/1740872017371673026

reminder for the doomers

>>16832573
Elon "one way" Musk

Luckily all this will be solved with alien antigravity tech (assuming they let us use it.)

https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1984288194964398228
>S/C Sep. Arrival at the Chinese Space Station in 3.5 hours.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/elon-musks-spacex-set-to-win-2-billion-pentagon-satellite-deal-c0a51325

>SpaceX is set to receive $2 billion to develop satellites that can track missiles and aircraft under President Trump’s Golden Dome project, people familiar with the matter said.

>>16832573
Is that the same Tom Mueller that is planning to use Terran R instead of Starship for his Mars mission?
https://spacenews.com/impulse-and-relativity-announce-proposal-for-joint-mars-landing-mission/

>>16832589
>they anticipate launching as soon as the late 2024 window for missions from Earth to Mars.
LOL

I doubt relativity will exist in 5 years. No payloads no launch heritage except for one shitty 3d printed test vehicle which proved 3d printing is a meme. Dead company.

You were warned they were Aliums. But did you listen? Oh nooooo!

>>16832554
Pad A will look like this in Spring

>>16832592
The window is from 2024 to 2029 so they have a few more years before they miss it.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110902234053/http://www.marketwatch.com/video/asset/elon-musk-ill-put-a-man-on-mars-in-10-years-2011-04-22/CCF1FC62-BB0D-4561-938C-DF0DEFAD15BA

>>16832594
why would they arrive in a fucking comet when they have mach 250 tic tacs

>>16832594
You were told to take your meds. But did you listen? Oh nooooo!

>>16832589
his system is launch system agnostic, so I don't see the problem

>>16832589
>>16832604
i.e. this is like OpenAI making deals to buy chips from AMD to try to diversify their supply chain
being dependent on a singular company is not good however good they are, you are in a weak position in that relationship

>>16832573
lol I was right, we gaaaan

>>16832594
Would be bretty cool if true, I hope it slows down and aims right at us just so everybody panics. That'd be funny to me.

>>16832608
Why do you think he left?
Elon cancelled ISRU propellant production in favor of one way trips.

>>16832613
or he finished the meat of the project and got bored with iterating on it

https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1984303647241441296
>To be clear, [Bridenstine] is a paid lobbyist

>>16832613
any source for that wild claim? also, the only thing that mentions anything about the whole 'one way' trip is that ambiguous tweet by that jap astronaut some days ago.

>>16832613
You're still going to want to ISRU water even if you don't want to make propellant at first.

>>16832615
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1984303647241441296
>Like many Americans, we are thankful for Mr. Bridenstine’s service leading NASA at one point. He deserves credit for spearheading the creation of the Artemis Program.
>After departing NASA, he created a lobbying firm called the Artemis Group, representing a host of aerospace companies vying for NASA business

https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1984303650441736422
>Mr. Bridenstine’s current campaign against Starship is either misguided or intentionally misleading.
>SpaceX was selected to design and develop a Human Landing System for Artemis along with Blue Origin and Dynetics during Mr. Bridenstine's tenure as NASA Administrator

https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1984303653746839890
>Starship was then selected by NASA for the Artemis III mission through fair and open competition after being identified as the best and lowest risk technical option – and the lowest price by a wide margin – by the civil servant team appointed to lead the agency’s exploration mission by Mr. Bridenstine himself

https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1984303656557027475
>The decision to select Starship was confirmed repeatedly following protest and litigation from the companies not selected which delayed the start of work on the contract for many months

https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1984303662903279849
>Mr. Bridenstine’s recent musings promoting a new landing system – going so far as to invoke the Defense Production Act – are being misreported as though they were the unbiased thoughts of a former NASA Administrator. They are not.
>To be clear, he is a paid lobbyist. He is representing his clients’ interests, and his comments should be seen for what they are – a paid lobbyist’s effort to secure billions more in government funding for his clients who are already years late and billions of dollars overbudget.

>>16832615
both jeff foust and stephen clark failing to mention this critical fact has been pretty offputting
makes you think

>>16832615
Big Jim’s scummy fall from grace is so unfortunate

>>16832617
Yeah but it's nothing in comparison.
If you do a Starship architecture with return the propellant production totally dominates your power budget and industrial capacity.
It's always been unrealistic.
You might do some returns but the number will always have to be way below the arrivals.

>SpaceX Starlink v3 (v4, v5... expected in future)
>SpaceX km wide data centers in space by scaling Starlink sats
Well the debate is over. SpaceX won over chuds who wanted to debate.

>>16832625
viasat and then this
Doing anything for money.

>>16832629
selling his clout as a former NASA admin to the highest bidder

Space "ecnonomy" isn't real nobody is going to the moon or mars.
All space is is defense you should be making missiles or golden dome and get over your interplanetary faggot fantasies.
Stop wasting taxpayer and pension fund money

>>16832424
>>16832570
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/10/elon-musk-on-data-centers-in-orbit-spacex-will-be-doing-this/

>>16832329
>magic panels that you put on the ground and give you free energy make me sooo mad

SpaceX ain't playing round no mo'

>>16832634
>misinterpreting elon's terminal longtermism
he is thinking about kardashev scale. there is not actually any near term space compute application that makes money so they won't do it.

>>16832619
The question is what does Bridenstine have to gain by being a paid ULA shill.

>>16832643
Money you fucking idiot.

>>16832643
its his job now

>>16832632
Yoir silence on this speaks louder than a thousand words.
It's time to let go and focus on defense and things that actually matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4wBUysNe2k
>Joe Rogan Experience #2404 - Elon Musk

Musk on Rogan again, I think this is the fifth time? not sure

>>16832565
damn they missed

>>16832652
hey @grug, give me a 10 point tl;dw

>>16832652
That roided lazy fuck doesn't put topic timestamps into his shit.

What’s Bill Nelson up to now? Essentially retired?

>>16832652
Why is he laughing so much?

>>16832662
Edibles? I don't do drugs so wouldn't know.

>>16832656
if image is correct then it seems like the space topics are between 00:15-00:36

>>16832662
>has never seen elon talk once in his life
gbtx

>>16831785
Needs to look even more like the NX-01 bridge from ENT

>>16832615
https://x.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1984310490298826907

apparently they sent this out as emails as well

>>16832562
but at what cost?

>>16832573
fuck yes
I voted for this

>>16832599
I didn't know the aliens had photoshop
this changes everything

>>16832672
>audacity got a new logo
wtf, i might kill myself now

>>16832671
based
call out that rat

>>16832658
Are you kidding? It's Halloween. He's making fat stacks of cash scaring kids

We found him. The enoughmuskspam mod. The ultimate musk hater.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/31/business/elon-musk-aaron-greenspan-tech.html

>>16832682
There's many of these lolcows.

https://x.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1984272534498668785
>SpaceX is scheduled to launch its 100th Starlink mission of the year Friday afternoon. The Halloween launch will add another 28 Starlink V2 Mini satellites into its low Earth orbit constellation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnh6CvEPJfg
T-1:55:00

>>16832682
>“The idealist in me is a little bit dangerous,” he said. “It’s caused me to lose money.”
So he retired rich, made a lot of bad calls on the stock market, and now is a full time salt merchant on reddit desperately trying to make his poor decisions retrospectively correct

>>16832652
>Elon Musk wants SGI
>Elon Musks says " I mean I don't I don't I don't think anyone's ultimately going to have control over digital super intelligence um you know any more than say uh a chimp would have control over humans. Like chimps don't have control over humans. there's nothing they could do"
Felon Huskies.....

>>16832692
>another cheap knockoff
Sad!

>>16832634
>>16832639
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1984309877217640501

replying to a post from berger posting the data center article

>>16832638
but Musk specifically talked about scaling up V3
might not actually be that far away
the actual business case is muddy still though, but Musk is familiar with building data centers so maybe he did some napkin math to get into a feasible point

What's the point in these again?

>>16832707
free real estate

>>16832707
resoyurces

>>16832707
Ugly moons will be used to construct giant O'Neills cylinders in a heliocentric orbit.

>>16832707
God just had some leftover rocks and not much to do with them

Casey wrote a blog post about the Orion capsule. He mad
https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2025/10/31/nasas-orion-space-capsule-is-flaming-garbage/

>>16832715
>If you’re keeping score at home, Lockheed has been mis-engineering the side hatch for 15 years, longer than it took NASA to form, and then run all of Mercury/Gemini/Apollo to the launch of Skylab. In fact, Gemini went from first contract to first manned flight in 2.5 years, and the program was complete within five years. If Marshall Space Flight Center could design and build the original hatch in less than a year in 1959, why does it take Lockheed 15 years to make a shoddy copy of this hatch in 2025?

spacex is offshoring accounting dept to India. it's over https://www.spacex.com/careers/jobs?locations=Bangalore,%20India

>>16832682
yeah that guy's a psycho fag lol. I remember years ago during model 3 hell he was pushing the
that Musk was terminally ill with cancer and his neck scar was from trying to get rid of a tumor.

>>16832721
but is it for positions specific to India?
the search includes some country-specific starlink positions
you would want to hire a specialist on Indian tax law in India

>>16832725
pretty much as you described

Not just Halloween, but 25 years of continuous human habitation of space today.

>>16832750
https://issinrealtime.org

>>16832688
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1OdKrObLpvVGX
T-4:00

I have a bad feeling about this. Don't know why.

space rats!

ghosts are fucking with the camera. spooky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6_VfR-CyuM
>Elon Musk: 3 Years of X, OpenAI Lawsuit, Bill Gates, Grokipedia & The Future of Everything

another long-form podcast from Musk, from the timestamps it doesn't look like they talk about space at all though

Another one

touchdown
ez

How do they do it

SpaceX

>>16832769
witchcraft

by knowing its not easy and not treating it like it is

>>16832763
its just debris

>>16832772
I've been trying to land a booster on a barge in Kerbal for like 6 hours and the closest I got was within 600m. It really does feel like witchcraft.

>>16832776
just run one mission, see where you splash down, put the barge there, and run the next mission exactly the same

>venezuela supposedly going to pop off soon
what will the space force do in this war? it must be boring not having many adversaries that can fight you.

https://x.com/SpaceIntel101/status/1984362821535109493
>Shenzhou-21 successfully docked with Tiangong space station just 3.5 hours after launch.

>>16832784
they are basically signal corps with better marketing

>>16832789
>One of my challenges in writing this piece is that the program is so old a lot of the primary sources are now affected by link rot, and I’ve had to resort to using Internet Archive snapshots!

The Internet is dying

go big or go home

>>16832795
lol I automatically read starliner as shartliner and had to double check what the picture actually said

>>16832791
it's no different from losing embarrassing documents to fire and flood
the only record you can trust is the record you keep

whens the next hop

>SpaceX tweeted about Bridenstine being a lobbyist
based

>>16832789
until it leaves two astronauts stranded in low earth orbit for half a year, there's no way it's the worst capsule.

Is Artemis 2 likely to keep to the February 2026 timeline or will it slip

>>16832819
Honestly, the fact that they even moved up the launch date from April gives me hope that it'll launch in February

>>16832619
This is crazy

>>16832652
Elon looks terrible. Like he aged 10 years in 1

>>16832835
The joke is that their heat shield will experience severance :/

>>16832835
lmao

>>16832835
heh

Atlas news is being held up by the shutdown

I vant to suck your roggs

It's time to discuss Callisto.

>>16832868
i don't wanna tho

>>16832835
Sometimes Britt Lower is the most beautiful woman I have ever seen, other times she looks like a strip of beef jerky

>>16832868
It’s a prime contender for the “next great colony” following Mars and earth’s Moon that our great grandchildren can consider. For us? Idk not much to do. A dedicated mission would be cool. But it’s only an interesting solar system body if you’re currently a geochemist or geophysicist or armchair spaceflight fan who just wants to see more missions happen

>>16832599
The Atlas aliens are orks
The TicTac aliens are eldar

>>16832868
>>16832875
Since it's considered an "icy moon," how easy would it be to extract useful water ice once you're on the surface? Would you have to drill down to a certain depth, or could you just scrape regolith from the surface? At any rate, it is probably the best place to start a colony/research station after the moon and Mars.

>>16832879
Easy to harvest, off the top of my head I think it is currently believed that Callisto's surface structure is characterized by reflective cones/spikes, essentially stalagmites, of sublimated water that re-crystallized into cones

>>16832879
Nothing but ice. No metals or anything worthwhile. Those iceballs are a noob trap.

>>16832875
Isn't it outside Jupiter's radiation belts too? I remember hearing that one of the big moons wasn't a radiation hell.

>>16832885
>radiation hell
is it even radiation hell or just LNT hyping up perfectly safe radiation levels

>>16832682
Fixed

>>16832868
The best Galilean for human colonisation simply for radiation purposes. seriously its like 10 times less than Ganymede. roughly the same everything else so that will be the deciding factor.

>>16832888
Io will kill you in 1 minute without some sort of shielding (electrostatic or otherwise)

>>16832778
It's not that easy in rocketry.

>>16832892
ah ok.

at least mars radiation is well within safe limits.

>>16832836
Thanks anon, this is a cool idea for a fanfic.

>>16832896
crop circle from 2001
interesting case. 4 separate formations. worth looking into if you like this kind of thing

>>16832875
>It’s a prime contender for the “next great colony” following Mars and earth’s Moon
wrong. That would be Ceres. Next would come Callisto, and that's a big maybe, if humanity doesn't cuck itself and decides to settle the Asteroid Belt (Vesta, Pallas, Hygiea, etc.) first instead.