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6/12/2025, 4:03:03 PM
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>And there is no movement without abstract past and future states.
That's a chicken-and-egg-problem: abstract past and future states are either the cause or the result of a discerning physical system. Either way to experience past, present and future is what it's like to be a brain or perhaps even an AI.
>It is because time becomes involved and that is an abstraction unto itself.
To clarify: no thing has a fixed location. Every thing has a speed relative to every other thing. Time is a non-physical phenomenon therefore consciousness is a non-physical phenomenon is a non sequitur so I don't see your point.
>Yes which is why speed is different from location and they can't be measured at the same time.
Both are the result of what it's like to be a physical system measuring other physical systems which requires some kind of notion of time but not consciousness as something else than what it's like to be a physical system measuring other physical systems.
>And there is no movement without abstract past and future states.
That's a chicken-and-egg-problem: abstract past and future states are either the cause or the result of a discerning physical system. Either way to experience past, present and future is what it's like to be a brain or perhaps even an AI.
>It is because time becomes involved and that is an abstraction unto itself.
To clarify: no thing has a fixed location. Every thing has a speed relative to every other thing. Time is a non-physical phenomenon therefore consciousness is a non-physical phenomenon is a non sequitur so I don't see your point.
>Yes which is why speed is different from location and they can't be measured at the same time.
Both are the result of what it's like to be a physical system measuring other physical systems which requires some kind of notion of time but not consciousness as something else than what it's like to be a physical system measuring other physical systems.
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