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6/30/2025, 12:03:17 AM
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A lot of it is just skub and edition warring for edition warring's sake. It is still /tg/, sometimes you just gotta remember it is barely above /v/ in terms of the sane-people-to-shitstirers ratio. If a TORtanic is possible, they will try to summon it.
But there are also good portions of community that either feel ignored or actively excised from Paizo despite their years of dedication, don't appreciate their casualization and streamlining of the d20 fantasy space for the 5e audience, hate how Paizo approached the culture shift of the '20s in general, or just hate 2e as a product or how it is designed. Or some combination of the above. Even if you really love 2e like I do, you have to accept that it came dancing on the grave of 1e and there's nothing it can do barring removing the Pathfinder brand to illustrate it is a new foundation and the future of Paizo --and it is arguable that would even fix most of the skub. To a point, it isn't a game made in good faith. Even to resolve many of 1e's genuine issues and barriers of entry that kneecapped its growth, 2e is far too radical a change to rationalize such, beyond the idea that coasting on the 3.X license and rules was doomed to fail eventually. And there are just portions of 2e's design just made out of spite like casters' hit rates...
It is a lose-lose scenario where it is a game that offers nothing to the pre-established fanbase of Paizo but also have to exist as is because there was just no reasonable future with such a fanbase. Even if you ignore the capped growth of 1e and the flop that was Starfinder1e, the OGL drama proved that WotC does have a target on Paizo and would be genuinely happy if they could scoop up a lot of their revenue, if not kill the company entirely. And trying to adjust the 3.X ruleset to a reasonable standard kills a lot of enjoyment factors of that ruleset. So even in terms of edition changes naturally creating spite from autists that hate change, 2e does little to help itself.
A lot of it is just skub and edition warring for edition warring's sake. It is still /tg/, sometimes you just gotta remember it is barely above /v/ in terms of the sane-people-to-shitstirers ratio. If a TORtanic is possible, they will try to summon it.
But there are also good portions of community that either feel ignored or actively excised from Paizo despite their years of dedication, don't appreciate their casualization and streamlining of the d20 fantasy space for the 5e audience, hate how Paizo approached the culture shift of the '20s in general, or just hate 2e as a product or how it is designed. Or some combination of the above. Even if you really love 2e like I do, you have to accept that it came dancing on the grave of 1e and there's nothing it can do barring removing the Pathfinder brand to illustrate it is a new foundation and the future of Paizo --and it is arguable that would even fix most of the skub. To a point, it isn't a game made in good faith. Even to resolve many of 1e's genuine issues and barriers of entry that kneecapped its growth, 2e is far too radical a change to rationalize such, beyond the idea that coasting on the 3.X license and rules was doomed to fail eventually. And there are just portions of 2e's design just made out of spite like casters' hit rates...
It is a lose-lose scenario where it is a game that offers nothing to the pre-established fanbase of Paizo but also have to exist as is because there was just no reasonable future with such a fanbase. Even if you ignore the capped growth of 1e and the flop that was Starfinder1e, the OGL drama proved that WotC does have a target on Paizo and would be genuinely happy if they could scoop up a lot of their revenue, if not kill the company entirely. And trying to adjust the 3.X ruleset to a reasonable standard kills a lot of enjoyment factors of that ruleset. So even in terms of edition changes naturally creating spite from autists that hate change, 2e does little to help itself.
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