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6/13/2025, 2:52:47 AM
>>24462509
>He could've created a planet where food is nutritious and abundant
He did. It's called photosynthesis. And I still wouldn't trade my human life so I could be a cyanobacteria.
>just outright make it so hunger doesn't exist
He did. It's called a cell. I dont want to be a neuron floating in space.
>He could eliminate violence and suffering by deleting disease and the propensity for violent action.
You can't remove the part of the mind that is aware and capable of violence while also still having a human being. I could answer you in non-secular ways and say, "The devil makes us murder!", but I assume you're fully secular and will only listen to what I say if I wrap it in your own understanding of the life and the universe. There is no way to have human that isn't capable of violence that isn't robbing him of free will by surgically altering something-- amputation or lobotomy. The same is true of God.
>>24462517
At one point, all Earth ran on photosynthesis. God wanted more complex life. You think every religious person believes that the Garden of Eden was literal instead of divine visions by people who were open-minded to hear God to try and understand what he had to say. God can't spew out complex information about the universe in terms of atoms and space time. He also can't wait until we discover those things to start talking to us. He also to give us info slowly. He also knows that humans live better by being allowed to meditate on ideas. If he came out and said, "This is exactly how life and death and the cosmos work", you can bet your ass there would be an entire sector of people going, "Oh, I don't like that!" and going against God because they hate his plan. However, by focus on the spirituality and morality of it, we're able to form a personal relationship that can work on a large scale. Some people might take the Old Testament literal, some thinks it's echoes of the past, some think God is the universe and we're living within him, some think we're in a simulation and God is monitoring us, and so on.
This very idea is addressed with Moses when he asks God, "Who am I to say you are?" and he responds, "I am who I am". Which means it's irrelevant and not helpful to just denounce all religions in one fell swoop by saying, "Oh yeah, the Sumerians got it right". He's the creator. All he wants to do is guide you to live the best life, most of which can be found through Jesus' teachings. Things like the Ten Commandments are not threats of, "Don't you dare dishonor your mother or father or you will go to hell!", they're promises. "I promise you, when this is all over, you won't even think about dishonoring your mother and father. Society will be so good, I promise you, that the desire to kill will basically be eliminated". There are absolutely high-trust places in the world with virtually zero crime rate and those are the places people want to live in the most. Imagine that on a worldwide level.
>He could've created a planet where food is nutritious and abundant
He did. It's called photosynthesis. And I still wouldn't trade my human life so I could be a cyanobacteria.
>just outright make it so hunger doesn't exist
He did. It's called a cell. I dont want to be a neuron floating in space.
>He could eliminate violence and suffering by deleting disease and the propensity for violent action.
You can't remove the part of the mind that is aware and capable of violence while also still having a human being. I could answer you in non-secular ways and say, "The devil makes us murder!", but I assume you're fully secular and will only listen to what I say if I wrap it in your own understanding of the life and the universe. There is no way to have human that isn't capable of violence that isn't robbing him of free will by surgically altering something-- amputation or lobotomy. The same is true of God.
>>24462517
At one point, all Earth ran on photosynthesis. God wanted more complex life. You think every religious person believes that the Garden of Eden was literal instead of divine visions by people who were open-minded to hear God to try and understand what he had to say. God can't spew out complex information about the universe in terms of atoms and space time. He also can't wait until we discover those things to start talking to us. He also to give us info slowly. He also knows that humans live better by being allowed to meditate on ideas. If he came out and said, "This is exactly how life and death and the cosmos work", you can bet your ass there would be an entire sector of people going, "Oh, I don't like that!" and going against God because they hate his plan. However, by focus on the spirituality and morality of it, we're able to form a personal relationship that can work on a large scale. Some people might take the Old Testament literal, some thinks it's echoes of the past, some think God is the universe and we're living within him, some think we're in a simulation and God is monitoring us, and so on.
This very idea is addressed with Moses when he asks God, "Who am I to say you are?" and he responds, "I am who I am". Which means it's irrelevant and not helpful to just denounce all religions in one fell swoop by saying, "Oh yeah, the Sumerians got it right". He's the creator. All he wants to do is guide you to live the best life, most of which can be found through Jesus' teachings. Things like the Ten Commandments are not threats of, "Don't you dare dishonor your mother or father or you will go to hell!", they're promises. "I promise you, when this is all over, you won't even think about dishonoring your mother and father. Society will be so good, I promise you, that the desire to kill will basically be eliminated". There are absolutely high-trust places in the world with virtually zero crime rate and those are the places people want to live in the most. Imagine that on a worldwide level.
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