and one more:

<<<<—The red arrow is the running tally just for the US Intragovernmental Debt. These ‘unfunded liabilities’ include Medicare (~70% of picrel) and Social Security (~25%) and Disability (~5%).
$152 TRILLION (US taxpayers paid $237 Billion in interest on this Intragovernmental Debt in FY 2024 ALONE). This is the amount that is owed out, as of today, based on what was taken in, in (mostly) payroll taxes.

THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE the ~$36 TRILLION in Marketable Debt (aka Public Issues) that the public is always bitching about (US taxpayers paid $896 B in interest on this in FY 2024 ALONE).

So, the running tally for US currency ‘borrowed’ from the NOW-INSOLVENT private Federal Reserve's debt franchise is ~$187 Trillion.
$187 fucking TRILLION.

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/datasets/interest-expense-debt-outstanding/interest-expense-on-the-public-debt-outstanding#data-table

I do note Mr shapiro never fucking mentions this.