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7/16/2025, 1:06:25 PM
>>17843485
>I'm not a communist and am a vehemently anti-communist religious catholic. I'm just saying the U.S is getting ridiculously complacent regarding China and is under the pressure of serious, potentially existential intitutional and cultural rot internally.
>>17846426
>I'm not a tankie but the fact that China managed to do so much in so little time with market socialism is quite impressive, even in regards to GDP.
I take China more seriously too. Now, it probably looks rosier than the reality because they have a highly authoritarian government which controls the media and censors information. It's like, you rarely hear about PLA fighter jets having accidents and crashing but it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Honestly the level of discipline / control they exercise in terms of censorship and surveillance is both scary and impressive but stuff does get through (like a rocket crashing and exploding close enough to a populated area that the locals filmed it and it bled through the information control system).
But my take about this (and I don't see it often) is that one reason for why China has performed well is the influence of scientific rationalism. People can debate how communist China really is, but this was a big thing in classic communism. Like say what you will about communism but they did send the first man into space. That's part of the reason why China has this:
https://youtu.be/WIiORnu4aIU
I get a whole vibe from Chinese propaganda that recalls high modernism of the 1940s/1950s with its belief in science, progress, and a historical mission:
https://youtu.be/dtaaj3z_mNM
Okay it's propaganda, but it's trying to influence the minds of Chinese. In much of the world from the U.S. to Russia to the Islamic countries, there's a prevailing spirit of irrationalism, conspiracy theories, woo-woo thinkers, and various nightmare e-cults. I think it's a big problem.
>I'm not a communist and am a vehemently anti-communist religious catholic. I'm just saying the U.S is getting ridiculously complacent regarding China and is under the pressure of serious, potentially existential intitutional and cultural rot internally.
>>17846426
>I'm not a tankie but the fact that China managed to do so much in so little time with market socialism is quite impressive, even in regards to GDP.
I take China more seriously too. Now, it probably looks rosier than the reality because they have a highly authoritarian government which controls the media and censors information. It's like, you rarely hear about PLA fighter jets having accidents and crashing but it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Honestly the level of discipline / control they exercise in terms of censorship and surveillance is both scary and impressive but stuff does get through (like a rocket crashing and exploding close enough to a populated area that the locals filmed it and it bled through the information control system).
But my take about this (and I don't see it often) is that one reason for why China has performed well is the influence of scientific rationalism. People can debate how communist China really is, but this was a big thing in classic communism. Like say what you will about communism but they did send the first man into space. That's part of the reason why China has this:
https://youtu.be/WIiORnu4aIU
I get a whole vibe from Chinese propaganda that recalls high modernism of the 1940s/1950s with its belief in science, progress, and a historical mission:
https://youtu.be/dtaaj3z_mNM
Okay it's propaganda, but it's trying to influence the minds of Chinese. In much of the world from the U.S. to Russia to the Islamic countries, there's a prevailing spirit of irrationalism, conspiracy theories, woo-woo thinkers, and various nightmare e-cults. I think it's a big problem.
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