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7/12/2025, 1:41:04 AM
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As stated, the need to crit-fish with these guns in 2e is a big impediment. Even if the 3x and 4x modifiers are comparable to 2e's Deadly and Fatal traits, losing out on Touch AC does bring remove a lot of impact ot them, even if realistically needing to be so up close to use such negates the point of even having a "ranged fighter" in the party. However, I actually do kind of agree with Paizo on their reasoning when I thought about it. Why DOES a gun pierce armor, something that a dragon can't do?
Auto-granting Off-Guard is actually pretty uninteresting and doesn't make much sense. If someone pointed a gun to you, the last thing you will do is make yourself MORE vulnerable, and the punching weight of early firearms SHOULDN'T be able to pierce traditional fantasy armor, especially ones coated in magic. Pistol Twirl is an active attempt at intimidation and distraction, hence why it can grant it. Fake Out is in a similar field, it is why it is an Aid bonus while still tying into the notion of lethality from these little peashooters. But I do agree with the notion that if firearms are going to be commonplace and crit-fishers, they actually should be more available to classes and archetypes outside of Gunslinger and Pistol Phenom.
I do have an issue with Gunslingers even existing as is. I appreciate the culture clash and informing the audience that guns do have a place in these fantasies. But AS A CLASS, it just weird to think about what they offer to a party in terms of mechanics and scenarios. Even with using The Dark Tower as inspiration, Roland himself or his guns doesn't do much compared to the external influences that help him along. And while it would be stupid to bring it back as a point pool, Grit at least have some thematic idea behind Willpower and Mental Fortitude that would go into using such dangerous tools, so I see why people want it to help provide character. But...everyone else is doing that, so...
As stated, the need to crit-fish with these guns in 2e is a big impediment. Even if the 3x and 4x modifiers are comparable to 2e's Deadly and Fatal traits, losing out on Touch AC does bring remove a lot of impact ot them, even if realistically needing to be so up close to use such negates the point of even having a "ranged fighter" in the party. However, I actually do kind of agree with Paizo on their reasoning when I thought about it. Why DOES a gun pierce armor, something that a dragon can't do?
Auto-granting Off-Guard is actually pretty uninteresting and doesn't make much sense. If someone pointed a gun to you, the last thing you will do is make yourself MORE vulnerable, and the punching weight of early firearms SHOULDN'T be able to pierce traditional fantasy armor, especially ones coated in magic. Pistol Twirl is an active attempt at intimidation and distraction, hence why it can grant it. Fake Out is in a similar field, it is why it is an Aid bonus while still tying into the notion of lethality from these little peashooters. But I do agree with the notion that if firearms are going to be commonplace and crit-fishers, they actually should be more available to classes and archetypes outside of Gunslinger and Pistol Phenom.
I do have an issue with Gunslingers even existing as is. I appreciate the culture clash and informing the audience that guns do have a place in these fantasies. But AS A CLASS, it just weird to think about what they offer to a party in terms of mechanics and scenarios. Even with using The Dark Tower as inspiration, Roland himself or his guns doesn't do much compared to the external influences that help him along. And while it would be stupid to bring it back as a point pool, Grit at least have some thematic idea behind Willpower and Mental Fortitude that would go into using such dangerous tools, so I see why people want it to help provide character. But...everyone else is doing that, so...
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