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6/12/2025, 11:16:22 AM
>>17754916
>An uncaused cause that necessarily causes the universe.
That's another property though. Even God doesn't have this when we call him the creator. For him it is a potential attribute that he can choose (or not) to use. Zoz is not just a creator (as in it merely has the ability to cause the universe), it is forced to create and the universe becomes necessary in all possible worlds. Why is this the case?
>There's no 'before' in this model
Oh okay so it creates time and it eternally existed at t=0 as a frozen picture. This just further makes my point that whatever Zoz is has to have an immaterial will, because otherwise it could not do anything to change from a state where it was not creating to one where it was. Creation has to be infinitely old since there's no delay. And Yes God could stop at anytime but I don't make the claims that the universe necessarily has to exist (in fact I think it will be destroyed) nor do I have to subscribe to B theory to get out of an infinite regress.
>Once the block is moving it will keep moving even if the initial force dissappears
Then this is not B theory. Zoz cannot disappear because every moment is equally real, even the one where it still existed. But also under such a scenario we can get to the point where today just exists for no reason at all (since it disappeared). btw yes it is nowhere near to God but the whole point of arguments like this is to posit an existence that gets us there.
>>17754948
>Is time self-existent?
I don't believe time has a substance so it can "exist" independently or be created in that sense, it's a relation. You can think of it more like an attribute of God to be able to cause and experience change in the state of reality and knowledge (he knows today is the 12th, and tomorrow he will know today is the 13th). He literally calls himself time, so no he doesn't exist "inside" it as if time was a box you can step in and out of.
>An uncaused cause that necessarily causes the universe.
That's another property though. Even God doesn't have this when we call him the creator. For him it is a potential attribute that he can choose (or not) to use. Zoz is not just a creator (as in it merely has the ability to cause the universe), it is forced to create and the universe becomes necessary in all possible worlds. Why is this the case?
>There's no 'before' in this model
Oh okay so it creates time and it eternally existed at t=0 as a frozen picture. This just further makes my point that whatever Zoz is has to have an immaterial will, because otherwise it could not do anything to change from a state where it was not creating to one where it was. Creation has to be infinitely old since there's no delay. And Yes God could stop at anytime but I don't make the claims that the universe necessarily has to exist (in fact I think it will be destroyed) nor do I have to subscribe to B theory to get out of an infinite regress.
>Once the block is moving it will keep moving even if the initial force dissappears
Then this is not B theory. Zoz cannot disappear because every moment is equally real, even the one where it still existed. But also under such a scenario we can get to the point where today just exists for no reason at all (since it disappeared). btw yes it is nowhere near to God but the whole point of arguments like this is to posit an existence that gets us there.
>>17754948
>Is time self-existent?
I don't believe time has a substance so it can "exist" independently or be created in that sense, it's a relation. You can think of it more like an attribute of God to be able to cause and experience change in the state of reality and knowledge (he knows today is the 12th, and tomorrow he will know today is the 13th). He literally calls himself time, so no he doesn't exist "inside" it as if time was a box you can step in and out of.
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