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6/29/2025, 1:48:40 PM
Why did the Kremlin choose to bring death and destruction to their own people (who are being asked to fight a pointless invasion in Ukraine) as well as to Ukrainians (on the receiving end of violence)?
Why is Putin causing thousands of Russian and Ukrainian deaths?
Why is Putin causing thousands of Russian and Ukrainian deaths?
6/27/2025, 2:20:59 PM
>>508866186
There was an election, and the Ukrainian people picked Poroshenko. Why can't you accept this?
>>508866200
Firstly, Russia is known to rig elections that they administer. There are videos on YouTube of ballot boxes being stuffed in Russia. Not to mention the cases of candidates being banned from standing in elections (e.g. Boris Nadezhdin in the last Russian presidential election).
Secondly, the "referendum" in Crimea was held under military occupation by Russia. An environment instilling fear and coercion. Crimean Tatars boycotted the vote because I guess they didn't regard it as legitimate.
>>508866230
If that's the 2019 election then those people were voting for Yuriy Boyko right? Apparently he favoured close relations with Russia, but I don't think he favoured parts of Ukraine actually joining Russia. Also see this:
>Following the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, which he opposed, he reversed some of his pro-Russian stances, now supporting Ukraine's proposed accession to the European Union.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuriy_Boyko
>>508866458
>excluding the preferred option
Lol. Also Zelenskyy tried to pursue peace. Then Putin launched a new, large-scale invasion of Ukraine.
There was an election, and the Ukrainian people picked Poroshenko. Why can't you accept this?
>>508866200
Firstly, Russia is known to rig elections that they administer. There are videos on YouTube of ballot boxes being stuffed in Russia. Not to mention the cases of candidates being banned from standing in elections (e.g. Boris Nadezhdin in the last Russian presidential election).
Secondly, the "referendum" in Crimea was held under military occupation by Russia. An environment instilling fear and coercion. Crimean Tatars boycotted the vote because I guess they didn't regard it as legitimate.
>>508866230
If that's the 2019 election then those people were voting for Yuriy Boyko right? Apparently he favoured close relations with Russia, but I don't think he favoured parts of Ukraine actually joining Russia. Also see this:
>Following the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, which he opposed, he reversed some of his pro-Russian stances, now supporting Ukraine's proposed accession to the European Union.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuriy_Boyko
>>508866458
>excluding the preferred option
Lol. Also Zelenskyy tried to pursue peace. Then Putin launched a new, large-scale invasion of Ukraine.
6/27/2025, 2:04:04 PM
Why do you people hate Ukraine? Here are some of the reasons I hear in /chug/:
>the west staged a coup in ukraine in 2014!
Obviously not true. What happened is that Ukrainians protested against their president because he had said he would sign a deal with the EU, but at the last minute he was like "actually fuck that, I'll move Ukraine closer to Russia instead". Ukrainians protested, the president fled, and the Ukrainian government removed the president from office. Ukraine had further presidential elections in 2014 and 2019. They could have elected pro-Russia candidates in either election, but they elected pro-Europe candidates instead.
>people in southern/eastern ukraine want to join russia!
So you want me to believe rigged Russian-administered referendums, held during Russian military occupation? There are probably some people in those areas who want to join Russia. But we don't have trustworthy evidence indicating that a majority of people in those areas want to join Russia. Even if they did, they should raise that issue with Ukraine's government. Russia doesn't have the right to invade.
>ukraine killed children in the donbas!
I think what actually happened is that Russian troops invaded the Donbas and used weapons to fight against the Ukrainian authorities. Ukraine sent in the military to push out the Russian invasion (just like Russia would do if they were invaded - see how they responded to Kursk). In the crossfire, perhaps some children have died, which is obviously horrible. If Russia cared about this though, they would never have launched their invasions of Ukraine in the first place.
>the west staged a coup in ukraine in 2014!
Obviously not true. What happened is that Ukrainians protested against their president because he had said he would sign a deal with the EU, but at the last minute he was like "actually fuck that, I'll move Ukraine closer to Russia instead". Ukrainians protested, the president fled, and the Ukrainian government removed the president from office. Ukraine had further presidential elections in 2014 and 2019. They could have elected pro-Russia candidates in either election, but they elected pro-Europe candidates instead.
>people in southern/eastern ukraine want to join russia!
So you want me to believe rigged Russian-administered referendums, held during Russian military occupation? There are probably some people in those areas who want to join Russia. But we don't have trustworthy evidence indicating that a majority of people in those areas want to join Russia. Even if they did, they should raise that issue with Ukraine's government. Russia doesn't have the right to invade.
>ukraine killed children in the donbas!
I think what actually happened is that Russian troops invaded the Donbas and used weapons to fight against the Ukrainian authorities. Ukraine sent in the military to push out the Russian invasion (just like Russia would do if they were invaded - see how they responded to Kursk). In the crossfire, perhaps some children have died, which is obviously horrible. If Russia cared about this though, they would never have launched their invasions of Ukraine in the first place.
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