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8/3/2025, 12:15:37 PM
>>24602024
>Why aren't capitalist countries becoming communist like Marx predicted?
I don't know if I believe this, but an argument is that they sort of ARE becoming that on a long-term macro kind of scale. Like the role of the state in the economy is pretty vast including in the United States. Then if you look at what Marx and Engels wrote as some initial ideas for a program in The Communist Manifesto, a lot of those measures have been instituted and are very widely accepted. There's universal public education and a graduated income tax. There has been the combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries (mechanized agriculture / industrial farming). Then certainly China goes further with centralized credit in the hands of the state. So the question is: Did Marx win, actually? What sort of system are we in? Is it neoliberal late-late capitalism or is it a modified communism and is that how all this survived? Like capitalism and communism synthesized rather than destroying each other and the world moved on. We're capitalist-communists! And maybe Marx was just wrong about what that synthesis would look like, or that history would end in a certain way. But at any rate, that's an idea. Hope everyone is doing good.
>>24603705
>They will be. The next depression/world war will produce another revolutionary period and the new generation of revolutionaries won't make the same mistakes as in 1917-23.
They'll make a whole new batch of mistakes! Maybe both Marx and the Great Man theories were wrong, and history's shape takes a warped curve caused by the disasters of inept leaders and the suckers who follow them towards doom. We need a name for it like Colossal Moron Theory. As a high-IQ intellectual myself, it's something I've been giving a lot of thought.
>>24605156
>74 posts and a lot of yapping yet no Marxist can explain how did Socialist countries like the USSR, China and Vietnam went back to capitalism.
They didn't have the material conditions for socialism so the requirements of the economic base won out over the socialist superstructure. NEXT QUESTION.
>Why aren't capitalist countries becoming communist like Marx predicted?
I don't know if I believe this, but an argument is that they sort of ARE becoming that on a long-term macro kind of scale. Like the role of the state in the economy is pretty vast including in the United States. Then if you look at what Marx and Engels wrote as some initial ideas for a program in The Communist Manifesto, a lot of those measures have been instituted and are very widely accepted. There's universal public education and a graduated income tax. There has been the combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries (mechanized agriculture / industrial farming). Then certainly China goes further with centralized credit in the hands of the state. So the question is: Did Marx win, actually? What sort of system are we in? Is it neoliberal late-late capitalism or is it a modified communism and is that how all this survived? Like capitalism and communism synthesized rather than destroying each other and the world moved on. We're capitalist-communists! And maybe Marx was just wrong about what that synthesis would look like, or that history would end in a certain way. But at any rate, that's an idea. Hope everyone is doing good.
>>24603705
>They will be. The next depression/world war will produce another revolutionary period and the new generation of revolutionaries won't make the same mistakes as in 1917-23.
They'll make a whole new batch of mistakes! Maybe both Marx and the Great Man theories were wrong, and history's shape takes a warped curve caused by the disasters of inept leaders and the suckers who follow them towards doom. We need a name for it like Colossal Moron Theory. As a high-IQ intellectual myself, it's something I've been giving a lot of thought.
>>24605156
>74 posts and a lot of yapping yet no Marxist can explain how did Socialist countries like the USSR, China and Vietnam went back to capitalism.
They didn't have the material conditions for socialism so the requirements of the economic base won out over the socialist superstructure. NEXT QUESTION.
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