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7/16/2025, 1:54:45 PM
>>17845858
>just that we were ideas in God's mind
Yes and in the exact same sense Jesus was, all of your verses can be understood in the same way such as when he was loved before the foundation of the world. Anyway preexistence before Abraham does not make you God, even the arch angels satisfy that requirement. You haven't addressed where he is called creation. The author of John believes in logos theology, the Son is the mediator between the most high God and the rest of us. It's very gnostic-like and you can find the same type of language used by Philo
>In Acts 20:28 it literally says that God paid for the church with "his own blood."
"Acts 20:28 Or with the blood of his own Son" - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2020:28&version=NIV
>He says if they don't believe in His divinity, they will die in their sins.
That's you inserting your theology into the text. Read https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%208%3A21-30&version=NIV There's nothing there where he claims to be God. Read a bit further "then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me". Can God do nothing on his own? Is God taught? Just saying ego eimi is not a claim to divinity and that's exactly why Paul can use it without you praying to him.
>>17845868
>John 5:18
Claiming to be God's son does not make you equal to God himself. "John" there is doing the same thing Jesus criticized here >>17845412 Is Israel equal to God?
>John 15:22-25
That doesn't say anything again about him being God, the Son is not the Father he's just a representative, a prophet like in Exodus 7:1, 4:16. It clearly says they hated him without a cause.
>Mark 14:55-64
I quoted that already. It specifies that they did not find anyone that claimed he was blaspheming and they literally made up false charges against him.
>just that we were ideas in God's mind
Yes and in the exact same sense Jesus was, all of your verses can be understood in the same way such as when he was loved before the foundation of the world. Anyway preexistence before Abraham does not make you God, even the arch angels satisfy that requirement. You haven't addressed where he is called creation. The author of John believes in logos theology, the Son is the mediator between the most high God and the rest of us. It's very gnostic-like and you can find the same type of language used by Philo
>In Acts 20:28 it literally says that God paid for the church with "his own blood."
"Acts 20:28 Or with the blood of his own Son" - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2020:28&version=NIV
>He says if they don't believe in His divinity, they will die in their sins.
That's you inserting your theology into the text. Read https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%208%3A21-30&version=NIV There's nothing there where he claims to be God. Read a bit further "then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me". Can God do nothing on his own? Is God taught? Just saying ego eimi is not a claim to divinity and that's exactly why Paul can use it without you praying to him.
>>17845868
>John 5:18
Claiming to be God's son does not make you equal to God himself. "John" there is doing the same thing Jesus criticized here >>17845412 Is Israel equal to God?
>John 15:22-25
That doesn't say anything again about him being God, the Son is not the Father he's just a representative, a prophet like in Exodus 7:1, 4:16. It clearly says they hated him without a cause.
>Mark 14:55-64
I quoted that already. It specifies that they did not find anyone that claimed he was blaspheming and they literally made up false charges against him.
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