>>936236641
>yet they've existed in various cultures in various manifestations for thousands of years
We're not concerned with "thousands of years" ago. We're concerned with now. Modernity.
>>936236902 illustrated the problems that we find them totemic of.
Stop duping these fools into irrelevant discussions.

>>936236993
>no, you carefully avoided the fact that this has been going on for centuries/millennia
He didn't avoid it. He just doesn't care.
Neither should anyone, because that's an utterly irrelevant statement.

>but you suddenly got sand in your vagina.
"Suddenly" is an incredibly stupid term to use here. What you consider "suddenly" is something we've observed for years over the course of our lifetimes.
Very dumb take.