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6/27/2025, 11:12:12 AM
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>They were seen as real beings with real power, but they were seen as created beings by the one true God creator
Not exactly. Tertullian, Augustine and other early christian thinkers argued that pagan gods were either figments of imagination actual spiritual beings, as in fallen angels as you put it.
>They were often seen as fallen angels, larping as gods.
But that's not exclusive to Christianity either. Many religions have stories of "false gods" and decieving spirits. Daevas were once seen as gods in Indo-Iranian religion, but zoroastrianism rejected them as evil and turned them into demons. In Greek and Roman mythology itself you'll find many such examples, Loki, Prometheus, Dionysus, they pose as something they're not. Christianity is derived from these past mythos and religions, it did not invent anything new.
>It uses Pagan ideas, with the Christian theology interpretation of them.
Well yes, kind of. Whether it's christian theology specitically or purely monotheistic ideas we'll never know, I reckon the latter is more in line
>Tolkien's portrayal of the Valar being worshiped as gods by the people of Middle Earth
And that's totally false. Valar are not worshipped, in any religious sense. They are honored/revered by the elves. Men do not even know about them.
Also you didn't address other points, so you either agree now, or you can't defend your position. Varg is fully aware of Tolkien's works, pagan mythos and their connection. It's completely in line with his beliefs. And again, christianity itself is in line with pagan beliefs, at least vast majority of it. The other half is where the problem lies. And THOSE ideas didn't make it to Tolkien, thankfully. So it's safe to say that LOTR/Silmarillion is purely European work. Jews do like to take credit for everything though.
>They were seen as real beings with real power, but they were seen as created beings by the one true God creator
Not exactly. Tertullian, Augustine and other early christian thinkers argued that pagan gods were either figments of imagination actual spiritual beings, as in fallen angels as you put it.
>They were often seen as fallen angels, larping as gods.
But that's not exclusive to Christianity either. Many religions have stories of "false gods" and decieving spirits. Daevas were once seen as gods in Indo-Iranian religion, but zoroastrianism rejected them as evil and turned them into demons. In Greek and Roman mythology itself you'll find many such examples, Loki, Prometheus, Dionysus, they pose as something they're not. Christianity is derived from these past mythos and religions, it did not invent anything new.
>It uses Pagan ideas, with the Christian theology interpretation of them.
Well yes, kind of. Whether it's christian theology specitically or purely monotheistic ideas we'll never know, I reckon the latter is more in line
>Tolkien's portrayal of the Valar being worshiped as gods by the people of Middle Earth
And that's totally false. Valar are not worshipped, in any religious sense. They are honored/revered by the elves. Men do not even know about them.
Also you didn't address other points, so you either agree now, or you can't defend your position. Varg is fully aware of Tolkien's works, pagan mythos and their connection. It's completely in line with his beliefs. And again, christianity itself is in line with pagan beliefs, at least vast majority of it. The other half is where the problem lies. And THOSE ideas didn't make it to Tolkien, thankfully. So it's safe to say that LOTR/Silmarillion is purely European work. Jews do like to take credit for everything though.
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