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It seems the Siegfried suicide plan got retconned over time.
>in one depiction, Siegfried asks Hagen to kill him
It’s the most nonsensical one specially since Hagen had to learn how to kill him by himself.
>in the following ones and the one implied in his interlude, Hagen is tasked to kill Siegfried by the king. He warns Siegfried of it but Siegfried complies and Hagen has to figure out how to since Siegfried is nearly invincible
Makes somewhat more sense and Hagen is still anrgy at Siegfried in his interlude because he accepted his own death even though Hagen wished they could figure something out. Still weird.
>Traum’s version according to Kriemhild: her conflict with Brunhild was a conflict between two houses and by shaming each other as they did it kept escalating. A war was building up as consequence. Hagen admits murdering Siegfried but points out Siegfried knew and complied because it was the only way they figured to achieve peace, which Kriemhild ruined anyway because she went to war in revenge anyway.
This one actually makes sense considering Siegfried’s heroic tendencies. He admits it was a bad decision, but it recontextualizes them both. Siegfried prioritized the people over his own life, and Hagen knew if he didn’t go through everyone could die.
It seems to be the angle Higashide is going with his heroes lately too as it’s the exact same he did with Arjuna: in the original depiction, Arjuna was spurred into killing Karna with a mix of admiration and envy, he fractured a second personality, a personal Krishna to order cope with it and whatever evil he comitted and his interlude is accepting regardless of that, he is the one that loosened the arrow.
The subsequent depictions with Arjuna Alter in LB4 is that Krishna is also there to cover for all the traumatic killings he did through the entirety of Mahabharata, not just Karna.
And then finally in Turas Realta he adds that he had to kill Karna to end the war that was killing thousands.