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>He also didn't exactly seem to manipulate Toriel and Asgore.
They didn't really have a reason to manipulate those as far as we can see (and who knows what happened where we couldn't see it)
They do seem to have been charmed by them
>If I had to guess, I think he was just good at knowing what made Asriel tick
I think Asriel was probably very manipulable to begin with