Search Results
7/6/2025, 5:29:43 PM
6/19/2025, 10:53:42 AM
>>24478658
>>24476818
>>24476842
Abercrombie isn't writing "feminist" fantasy, he's writing fantasy with women in it. If you can't see the difference, you need to spend less time on 4chan and touch grass.
The women in the Age of Madness series weren't feminist superstacies, neither was Monca(?) in Best Served Cold. They were cunning opportunists, liars, murderers, thieves, schemers and to gain their ends they were lying, thieving, whoring, deceiving, poisoning and stealing. And they were believable and cool characters; in moments where they couldn't be saved by their innate female characteristics or the implementation of male characteristics, they were saved by plot armor to a believable degree.
Men in Joe's works usually reach their goals by violence, heroism, military expertise, political maneuvering, magic prowess and intelligence.
Most characters have, just like humans IRL, overlapping traits from both ares: Glokta (male, physically weak and cunning), Bayaz (male, deceiving, opportunist), the demon girl from First Law (female, physically strong, violent), Cosca (male, flamboyant, opportunist)...
And it works for them too. Nobody would call Logan or Shivers as flat and one dimensional as He-Man, Conan or other caricature trope characters.
Then he released "the Devils" and everything went to shit.
Not because the pope is a girl and the protags are 50/50 men and women, but because everything is marvellized quip dialogue and triple-layer self ironic "every punchline is TWAT hahaha!" attempts at jokes.
I'm still not convinced that the guy who wrote "The heroes" is the same Abercrombie as the one who is to blame for The Devils.
>>24476818
>>24476842
Abercrombie isn't writing "feminist" fantasy, he's writing fantasy with women in it. If you can't see the difference, you need to spend less time on 4chan and touch grass.
The women in the Age of Madness series weren't feminist superstacies, neither was Monca(?) in Best Served Cold. They were cunning opportunists, liars, murderers, thieves, schemers and to gain their ends they were lying, thieving, whoring, deceiving, poisoning and stealing. And they were believable and cool characters; in moments where they couldn't be saved by their innate female characteristics or the implementation of male characteristics, they were saved by plot armor to a believable degree.
Men in Joe's works usually reach their goals by violence, heroism, military expertise, political maneuvering, magic prowess and intelligence.
Most characters have, just like humans IRL, overlapping traits from both ares: Glokta (male, physically weak and cunning), Bayaz (male, deceiving, opportunist), the demon girl from First Law (female, physically strong, violent), Cosca (male, flamboyant, opportunist)...
And it works for them too. Nobody would call Logan or Shivers as flat and one dimensional as He-Man, Conan or other caricature trope characters.
Then he released "the Devils" and everything went to shit.
Not because the pope is a girl and the protags are 50/50 men and women, but because everything is marvellized quip dialogue and triple-layer self ironic "every punchline is TWAT hahaha!" attempts at jokes.
I'm still not convinced that the guy who wrote "The heroes" is the same Abercrombie as the one who is to blame for The Devils.
Page 1