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6/22/2025, 12:36:24 PM
>>17782887
And he uses this as an example of what to avoid if you seek a pleasant life. There are trillions of possible things to avoid if you seek a pleasant life, the mere mention of which wouldn't imply it were common. Had he suggested that doing backflips off of cliffs should be avoided if you desired a pleasant life, would you assume that the Greeks routinely did backflips off of cliffs? Of course not. If you had suggested to the author of that text that the society in which he was situated practiced rampant pederasty, he would be appalled. They did no such thing.
The Greeks often contrasted the base, instinctive, sexual "love" of women, to the noble, intellectual, non-sexual love of boys, which served a higher purpose than mere reproduction or the satiation of sexual impulses.
And he uses this as an example of what to avoid if you seek a pleasant life. There are trillions of possible things to avoid if you seek a pleasant life, the mere mention of which wouldn't imply it were common. Had he suggested that doing backflips off of cliffs should be avoided if you desired a pleasant life, would you assume that the Greeks routinely did backflips off of cliffs? Of course not. If you had suggested to the author of that text that the society in which he was situated practiced rampant pederasty, he would be appalled. They did no such thing.
The Greeks often contrasted the base, instinctive, sexual "love" of women, to the noble, intellectual, non-sexual love of boys, which served a higher purpose than mere reproduction or the satiation of sexual impulses.
6/21/2025, 3:16:33 AM
>>3971447
It was the younger brother, Richard of Shrewsbury, that had people claiming to be him. In both cases it was opponents of Henry VII using a kid who was almost certainly not the real prince to try to claim the throne. The elder brother, Edward V, had been known to be sick during his imprisonment, so everyone figured that he had died even if there had been no foul play.
But it's pretty certain that neither of them escaped. Their disappearance and the assumption that they had been murdered were troublesome rallying cries against Richard III, so if he could have produced any evidence or testimony that could have lessened the suspicion that he was a kinslayer, he would have. His reign was also cut incredibly short by having his head split open, which I'm inclined to believe was divine retribution for what he'd done.
It was the younger brother, Richard of Shrewsbury, that had people claiming to be him. In both cases it was opponents of Henry VII using a kid who was almost certainly not the real prince to try to claim the throne. The elder brother, Edward V, had been known to be sick during his imprisonment, so everyone figured that he had died even if there had been no foul play.
But it's pretty certain that neither of them escaped. Their disappearance and the assumption that they had been murdered were troublesome rallying cries against Richard III, so if he could have produced any evidence or testimony that could have lessened the suspicion that he was a kinslayer, he would have. His reign was also cut incredibly short by having his head split open, which I'm inclined to believe was divine retribution for what he'd done.
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