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6/16/2025, 1:59:06 AM
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>No, but it suggests it. Implies it. Plants the idea in your head
>It's also a story, written for a reason, and having that be his impulse is both very tragic (in a good way!) and also tying the fic closer to show events, something the author has proven to enjoy doing.
>I insist that it's far, far more important to *feel* what the story is trying to tell you
See, I just disagree that meta-analysing the story like that, especially by comparing it to other fan works, is the most appropriate way to figure out what's happening. Regardless of what a character's biases are -- and I agree that Star Swirl was coping, but merely in a "they don't understand my burden" kind of way -- you need to rely on information in the work itself, rather than going "other fics use the night sky to symbolise Luna, so this one must be doing that as well".
>it was proven right
And it's a shame because it makes no sense, especially considering how closely the author seemed to be adhering to canon, as you note. That's really what throws me off the most, far more than if the entire thing was non-canon.
By the way, my timeline was:
>World functions normally (C&L or some other mechanism) and tribes are in separate nations
>Something happens, Star Swirl breaks stuff either causing it or in response, end result is that the sun no longer works
>Council of Horns is formed by the unicorns to move the sun
>The fic happens
>The windigos come
>Tribes abandon old kingdoms, form Equestria
>Princesses come/return, replace the Council
>Discord comes, the princesses fight him
>Luna is banished
>Luna returns, the show happens
I think your mind is too poisoned by the expectation of tropes and cliches to evaluate the story on its own. Also keep in mind that the story was only written between 2013-2017, so even if a trope is well established now, it might not have been back then, though you'd know better than me.
And your account doesn't necessarily conflict with canon, but I think it's much more heavily implied in the show that Celestia and Luna simply aren't present *and haven't yet been present* at the time of the first HW. I mean, hell, the episode introducing HW itself starts with the narration "Once upon a time, long before the peaceful rule of Celestia, and before ponies discovered our beautiful land of Equestria, ponies did not know harmony."
>No, but it suggests it. Implies it. Plants the idea in your head
>It's also a story, written for a reason, and having that be his impulse is both very tragic (in a good way!) and also tying the fic closer to show events, something the author has proven to enjoy doing.
>I insist that it's far, far more important to *feel* what the story is trying to tell you
See, I just disagree that meta-analysing the story like that, especially by comparing it to other fan works, is the most appropriate way to figure out what's happening. Regardless of what a character's biases are -- and I agree that Star Swirl was coping, but merely in a "they don't understand my burden" kind of way -- you need to rely on information in the work itself, rather than going "other fics use the night sky to symbolise Luna, so this one must be doing that as well".
>it was proven right
And it's a shame because it makes no sense, especially considering how closely the author seemed to be adhering to canon, as you note. That's really what throws me off the most, far more than if the entire thing was non-canon.
By the way, my timeline was:
>World functions normally (C&L or some other mechanism) and tribes are in separate nations
>Something happens, Star Swirl breaks stuff either causing it or in response, end result is that the sun no longer works
>Council of Horns is formed by the unicorns to move the sun
>The fic happens
>The windigos come
>Tribes abandon old kingdoms, form Equestria
>Princesses come/return, replace the Council
>Discord comes, the princesses fight him
>Luna is banished
>Luna returns, the show happens
I think your mind is too poisoned by the expectation of tropes and cliches to evaluate the story on its own. Also keep in mind that the story was only written between 2013-2017, so even if a trope is well established now, it might not have been back then, though you'd know better than me.
And your account doesn't necessarily conflict with canon, but I think it's much more heavily implied in the show that Celestia and Luna simply aren't present *and haven't yet been present* at the time of the first HW. I mean, hell, the episode introducing HW itself starts with the narration "Once upon a time, long before the peaceful rule of Celestia, and before ponies discovered our beautiful land of Equestria, ponies did not know harmony."
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