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Epicurus is also known as the wholesome chungus Reddit philosopher because he thought women were capable of attaining wisdom, which was an extremely fringe opinion in Greece at the time. This much is true he really did believe that and he allowed women to learn and debate at his school.
...But then he also believed
>People with certain bodily conditions (illnesses, deformations) are not capable of attaining wisdom.
oh well that's kinda fu-
>Nor can people from every race.
OH NO NO NO NO SHUT IT DOWN!!!!
He's also notable for his extremely exotic stance on slavery, which is that it's bad. A bad system. Mind you he did own slaves, but it was essentially impossible not to own slaves as an Athenian citizen at the time. He ended up freeing them all.
Now for his stance on sex:
>"Sexual intercourse has never helped anyone and one must be satisfied if it has not harmed."
Oh so he's like a volcel anti-nationalist or something? WRONG!
>And indeed the wise man will marry and father children. But he will marry only when it is indicated by the circumstances of his life. And some will be derived from this."
So he's essentially saying to only have kids if you have the means to support them. But otherwise he considered family life a good Ataraxia-boosting pleasure maxxed activity, while chasing sex for the high he considered dangerous and inherently a bad strat.
Also, banger Epicurus quote:
>The wise man will not have intercourse with a woman! (...in a manner forbidden by the law)
Very epic, I rate 5/5.
I've also seen a bunch of people, including an university professor, say "Epicurus was the first amoral philosopher" but I don't think that's actually the case. Rather his opinion differed in where morality arises from. He considered it a mutually-beneficial rational thing for people to act morally around each other. He even goes as far as to outright state
>And he [the wise man] will sometimes die for a friend.
which is not something that goes along with the idea of a strictly self-centered personal pleasure maxxer.
2/3
...But then he also believed
>People with certain bodily conditions (illnesses, deformations) are not capable of attaining wisdom.
oh well that's kinda fu-
>Nor can people from every race.
OH NO NO NO NO SHUT IT DOWN!!!!
He's also notable for his extremely exotic stance on slavery, which is that it's bad. A bad system. Mind you he did own slaves, but it was essentially impossible not to own slaves as an Athenian citizen at the time. He ended up freeing them all.
Now for his stance on sex:
>"Sexual intercourse has never helped anyone and one must be satisfied if it has not harmed."
Oh so he's like a volcel anti-nationalist or something? WRONG!
>And indeed the wise man will marry and father children. But he will marry only when it is indicated by the circumstances of his life. And some will be derived from this."
So he's essentially saying to only have kids if you have the means to support them. But otherwise he considered family life a good Ataraxia-boosting pleasure maxxed activity, while chasing sex for the high he considered dangerous and inherently a bad strat.
Also, banger Epicurus quote:
>The wise man will not have intercourse with a woman! (...in a manner forbidden by the law)
Very epic, I rate 5/5.
I've also seen a bunch of people, including an university professor, say "Epicurus was the first amoral philosopher" but I don't think that's actually the case. Rather his opinion differed in where morality arises from. He considered it a mutually-beneficial rational thing for people to act morally around each other. He even goes as far as to outright state
>And he [the wise man] will sometimes die for a friend.
which is not something that goes along with the idea of a strictly self-centered personal pleasure maxxer.
2/3
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