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7/17/2025, 5:35:35 AM
>>63990973
Fair enough. The Army also had the guys that kept assassinating anyone in the civilian government that wanted to hit the brakes on empire. I wonder if it occurred to anyone in Tokyo why exactly the nobility was so heavily surveilled by the emperor for all those years...
>>63991385
She also suffers a bit from come up in and working for 'the winning team' so far in history. It's easy to see the post-WW2 and post-cold war sea-trade-based empire (and global ocean cops, but don't say it out loud) as the logical outcome of history when the counter factual still hasn't materialized. I think you hit it on the head when you mentioned the historical circumstances where CvM seems to fit. Trying to apply that frame to something like golden age Athens or Polynesian islanders just doesn't work. I think it also starts to break down once missile forces and air power come into their own, since you no longer need to land your continental army to do horrific damage to your maritime enemy.
I wonder if there's an update to the frame that brings it into the modern age a bit better. Maybe starting at 1946 the new meta becomes the 'strategic power' that leverages the ability to wage nuclear war into a seat at the big-boy table in diplomacy, into providing security umbrellas, and being able to stalemate other stragetic power states. You could then say the next phase would be the "orbital power". States that developed their orbital lift capacity to start placing not only ISR satellites into space, but to technologically and commercially dominate orbit. Powers that go from making perfect semiconductor components in space to starting mass construction projects in orbit. If you want to get really crazy, maybe such a state just announces one day that it secretly completed something like Brilliant Pebbles and that its starting on a space elevator if anyone wants to help.
>>63993340
Neat.
Fair enough. The Army also had the guys that kept assassinating anyone in the civilian government that wanted to hit the brakes on empire. I wonder if it occurred to anyone in Tokyo why exactly the nobility was so heavily surveilled by the emperor for all those years...
>>63991385
She also suffers a bit from come up in and working for 'the winning team' so far in history. It's easy to see the post-WW2 and post-cold war sea-trade-based empire (and global ocean cops, but don't say it out loud) as the logical outcome of history when the counter factual still hasn't materialized. I think you hit it on the head when you mentioned the historical circumstances where CvM seems to fit. Trying to apply that frame to something like golden age Athens or Polynesian islanders just doesn't work. I think it also starts to break down once missile forces and air power come into their own, since you no longer need to land your continental army to do horrific damage to your maritime enemy.
I wonder if there's an update to the frame that brings it into the modern age a bit better. Maybe starting at 1946 the new meta becomes the 'strategic power' that leverages the ability to wage nuclear war into a seat at the big-boy table in diplomacy, into providing security umbrellas, and being able to stalemate other stragetic power states. You could then say the next phase would be the "orbital power". States that developed their orbital lift capacity to start placing not only ISR satellites into space, but to technologically and commercially dominate orbit. Powers that go from making perfect semiconductor components in space to starting mass construction projects in orbit. If you want to get really crazy, maybe such a state just announces one day that it secretly completed something like Brilliant Pebbles and that its starting on a space elevator if anyone wants to help.
>>63993340
Neat.
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