And just turn to total horseshit. Yeah I know shills but that doesn't really explain it. Blaming shills for how shitty this place is now is like blaming the Devil for everything you do. It's just a way to absolve responsibility. Maybe the invasion of 2015 to 2016 destroyed this place. Or maybe the younger generation just sucks. Or maybe we didn't do enough to teach them how to act in here. I don't know but this place is mostly shit now.