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>Zoz causes the unvierse by necessity so it's either timeless or instantaneous, or however you want to think of a purely mechanistic origin of the universe.
Wait why does it have to cause the universe necessarily? The chain starting from Zoz could have at any point stopped before there was a universe. But speaking about that Zoz also has to always exist (eternal and not merely uncased), if it just disappeared there would be nothing since the whole chain would go down. This is true even if it ceases to exist in the future. I believe the effects would be observable today, especially under B-theory. So if that's the case that is another attribute it must have to replace God.
>time follows from Zoz.
Are you saying Zoz causes time or something? I don't believe time is a created thing. If that's the case then Zoz can do nothing because it would just be a frozen image that can never update itself. Like when it must have done when beginning to cause.
>I'm really not seeing how intelligence is required at all
For this argument yeah I agree there's no need for an intelligence at all. Just when choosing between different possible worlds because I don't believe there's any evidence to conclude that everything is necessary. btw I have to go outside now, but this thread interests me so God willing when I come back I will respond to the other post you have made