>>511224990
>it's telling something about NATO too that they even allowed this shit to go this far
>should've just fasttracked Ukraine joining in before 2014 even happened
Now, THAT is fair. But less of a "stalemate" and more just us dropping the ball and/or being compromised.

>>511225009
Ivan, it REALLY doesn't matter how you try to spin this: Russia invaded Ukraine and has been fighting Ukrainians.

Ukraine is using a lot of NATO weapons, but Russia has been fighting (and losing to) Ukraine for 3 years.

You just tell yourself its fucking NATO because your failure is so utterly shameful.