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6/29/2025, 10:31:46 PM
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The House is already trying to reintroduce a lot of these provisions. As you can tell, a lot of them might be weakened, but I like the fact that a lot of them are pretty solid--for example, charging immigrants money rather than paying welfare to them is perfect. We might save America like this.
Also, as an aside, I feel like explaining Nancy Pelosi's gaffe about Obamacare "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it..." and how it's different from this situation:
1. They already had extensive plans regarding Obamacare, including a multi-stage approach in which the ultimate plans for the legislation were kept secret, even from many legislators; in particular, many provisions intended to bribe moderate Democrat Senators were actually planned for repeal in the final HCERA law which substantially amended the initial PPACA.
2. They didn't have to put up with the same processes that modern Republicans are now forced to overcome. The Democrat majority was so large that they did not require the use of the same processes for PPACA, instead using the budget reconciliation process only for HCERA; as a result, there was no way for the Parliamentarian to even object to the use of any provisions or effectively amend the bill in any way.
3. After the first bill (which was addressed by Pelosi) was passed, many provisions of Obamacare were effectively kept secret until the final passage of the second bill. You don't have many multi-bill laws in history, and Obamacare is basically the only one I recall to use this structure. This, in turn, is why the GOP struggled with repealing it in 2017. GOP leadership attempted to repeal HCERA first, and then repeal PPACA later.
4. She could have said SOMETHING about the bill as it existed, even with the secrecy of the final plan in mind.
The House is already trying to reintroduce a lot of these provisions. As you can tell, a lot of them might be weakened, but I like the fact that a lot of them are pretty solid--for example, charging immigrants money rather than paying welfare to them is perfect. We might save America like this.
Also, as an aside, I feel like explaining Nancy Pelosi's gaffe about Obamacare "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it..." and how it's different from this situation:
1. They already had extensive plans regarding Obamacare, including a multi-stage approach in which the ultimate plans for the legislation were kept secret, even from many legislators; in particular, many provisions intended to bribe moderate Democrat Senators were actually planned for repeal in the final HCERA law which substantially amended the initial PPACA.
2. They didn't have to put up with the same processes that modern Republicans are now forced to overcome. The Democrat majority was so large that they did not require the use of the same processes for PPACA, instead using the budget reconciliation process only for HCERA; as a result, there was no way for the Parliamentarian to even object to the use of any provisions or effectively amend the bill in any way.
3. After the first bill (which was addressed by Pelosi) was passed, many provisions of Obamacare were effectively kept secret until the final passage of the second bill. You don't have many multi-bill laws in history, and Obamacare is basically the only one I recall to use this structure. This, in turn, is why the GOP struggled with repealing it in 2017. GOP leadership attempted to repeal HCERA first, and then repeal PPACA later.
4. She could have said SOMETHING about the bill as it existed, even with the secrecy of the final plan in mind.
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