>>24615816
The spoon both is, and it is not. In any meaningful sense - it is not.

>>211822235
again off topic, but that is what I miss about the EARLY incel and PUA times. When it was "work on yourself, here are some tips for fitness, fashion, behavior, etc" for men who just did not have the personal friend circle to get some good advice like that. Then the pseudoscience and "quick hacks" took over, the philosophy went into extremes, "don't put women on a pedestal" turned into "despise women", and 'incels' went from poor sods who don't know why they cannot get laid to selfrighteous haters of everything.
We just can't have nice things.
(pic unrelated, just vibes)