>>536304814
noelle made the chapter 2 fountain. the entire plot of that chapter is the queen (aka the carol stand-in) trying to force noelle to become a knight and open dark fountains. noelle even has a push pin from carol's schizo corkboard. that's why the 1225 and pink-and-gold obsession themes are present in the noelle/kris dark worlds, but completely absent from the chapter 1 and church dark worlds. different creators.

>>536304948
>Black knife has the lost girl theme
no it doesn't, people are hallucinating it like gaster's theme. if you have to change around multiple notes, it's not the same song.
>the dark creature in the mantle game has an alternate sprite of a deer
it's carol, not dess. both the monster and carol have blue eyes, and carol/toriel fucking hate each other. toriel turned carol into a monster
>dess herself and her disappearance
we don't even know what happened to her or where she is, only that noelle is looking for her. her backstory is a complete black hole. the way she talks about dess in some moments I seriously doubt she has concerns about her safety (ex: "you're lucky dess isn't here! otherwise YOU'D be the one face down in a mousepile!")
>and the baseball bat the knight has at first.
a genuine point but the knight is a NIGHTMARE/FEAR entity. it could genuinely just be trying to terrify kris by associating itself with the person who used to beat him up.