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>But in a godless, material universe, "right" and "wrong" reduce to personal preference or social consensus

not necessarily. we can have objective truths that arent predicated on god's existence. one such example is math. the number 8 can exist, be entirely non-physical. this a perfectly rational and commonly held belief amongst athiest philosophers

likewise, you can have beliefs about morals being objective and true without a belief in god. this is also very common. infact its the dominant view of philosophy professors

>If there is no transcendent moral source grounding those values
there doesnt need to be, in the same that that theres no transcended source grounded the number 4's existence. it just exists out of its own necessity. and if thats the case, then so would moral truths

>Without objective morality
i do think morals are objective