>>519508666
>Like what the actual fuck do these people mean by "without SpaceX"?
As in there's only two national space agencies and one private company that can deliver humans to LEO and NASA ain't one and China has their own space station while the US, EU and Russia are trying to work out how to avoid DEI hires killing the astronauts.
>who ever the fuck is sending those rockets up to space for China
How fucking retarded are you?
>>519509952
>finer points of the specific public vs private organization
NASA is such a paralyzed and captured state agency that they can't build a disposable analogy to the starship booster without burning more money than the whole starship test costs per launch and they are using spare engines from the shuttle program. It's daycare for scientists and a buffet for useless contractors like Boeing.