>>18139759
>Unfortunately the emergence of violent, expansionist monotheistic faiths from the Middle East was inevitable. The geography of the region ensures that any faith which becomes dominant there will spread easily into Europe, Africa and Asia. Violent and exclusionary religions are more evolutionary fit than peaceful ones (“live and let live” will always lose when matched up with “convert or die”. Combine these two things and you get the last 2000 years of religious history.
Don’t forget that the punishment for not believing in the Abrahamic deity is eternal suffering for trillions upon trillions of years.
The punishment for not believing in Zeus is, well, nothing I think. Christianity and Islam survives largely because of the immense consequences that emerge on the off-chance it is true. Muslims have to be faced with eternal torment to convince them to not eat bacon.
Back to OP’s question though, atheism would never emerge under the Pagan system. The Greeks/Roman religion was barely a religion as we consider them today. It’s actually debated among historians how much the Greeks/Romans actually believed that Zeus was sitting up on Mt. Olympus throwing lightning bolts. The Pantheon was more like the Avengers or Spider-Man than Muhammad to a lot of ancient people. Cool, fictional characters that everyone played along with cuz it was fun to tell stories. And then throw in some cultural practices and you get Hellenistic religion.
The religion really didn’t demand anything absurd like chopping up your cock, so really no reason to “deconvert.”
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>>18138329
Yeah this. If you’re a Christian in the Middle East, why live in a country where you’re legally a 2nd Class Citizen? Your upward mobility in life is capped by your religion.
Also, there’s a lot of “Muslims” in the Middle East that don’t believe at all. “The God Delusion” sold millions of copies in the Middle East, in countries that were, on paper, 99% Muslim. Turns out legally requiring someone to be Muslim doesn’t mean they’re a true believer.
Funny enough, Utah is the same way. Lots of Mormons who are only Mormon because they wanted to land that nice finance job in Salt Lake City.
Yeah this. If you’re a Christian in the Middle East, why live in a country where you’re legally a 2nd Class Citizen? Your upward mobility in life is capped by your religion.
Also, there’s a lot of “Muslims” in the Middle East that don’t believe at all. “The God Delusion” sold millions of copies in the Middle East, in countries that were, on paper, 99% Muslim. Turns out legally requiring someone to be Muslim doesn’t mean they’re a true believer.
Funny enough, Utah is the same way. Lots of Mormons who are only Mormon because they wanted to land that nice finance job in Salt Lake City.
>>18135808
>i dont have a goat in the race of islam, generally dont even like its aesthetics, but in the old world wasnt it normal to marry a young girl? like people were betroved and shit to connect families when one partner was 3 and the other 40.
Yes, not unusual at all, but neither was fucking a little slave boy in chains. The old world was brutal and immoral. Everyone can agree nowadays that those things are wrong.
Where this becomes contentious is religion claims to be the absolute, unchanging moral authority. It was as perfectly good then as it is now.
So if you claim Muhammad to be this perfectly good man, then you also have to condone his behavior, which is radically unbecoming of modern morality. The “ultimate moral authority” that religions claim are always just the cultural norm of their time and place, like Indians drinking piss because their religion tells them too. Or the Bible commanding the Ancient Israelites to take sex slaves.
If someone tried to truly live out the Bible or the Quran, they’d be arrested that day. So either our current morals are way off true morality, or those books aren’t the ultimate source of morality.
>i dont have a goat in the race of islam, generally dont even like its aesthetics, but in the old world wasnt it normal to marry a young girl? like people were betroved and shit to connect families when one partner was 3 and the other 40.
Yes, not unusual at all, but neither was fucking a little slave boy in chains. The old world was brutal and immoral. Everyone can agree nowadays that those things are wrong.
Where this becomes contentious is religion claims to be the absolute, unchanging moral authority. It was as perfectly good then as it is now.
So if you claim Muhammad to be this perfectly good man, then you also have to condone his behavior, which is radically unbecoming of modern morality. The “ultimate moral authority” that religions claim are always just the cultural norm of their time and place, like Indians drinking piss because their religion tells them too. Or the Bible commanding the Ancient Israelites to take sex slaves.
If someone tried to truly live out the Bible or the Quran, they’d be arrested that day. So either our current morals are way off true morality, or those books aren’t the ultimate source of morality.
>>17815266
>How did Ashkenazi Jews take over the world?
Unironically, Christianity. Poltards hate when you point out that Judaism is only relevant on the world stage because of Christianity.
Nobody prior to 0 AD gave a fuck about Judaism. It was just another strange desert cult in a world full of strange desert cults. Despite the Biblical narrative, all historical evidence points to the idea that ancient Israel was just a whatever, backwater nation that most of the world didn’t care about unless they decided they wanted to conquer the region (which they did, successfully, quite frequently). Giant losers of history constantly getting their ass beat. Judaism would have likely died for good after Bar Kohkba if it weren’t for Christianity.
Christianity kept Judaism alive. Rabbinic Judaism developed as a counter-culture movement to Christianity. Christians often asserted that Rabbinic Jews had to be protected and endure as an example of how awful life is under the law. Aquinas, among many others, writes on this topic.
Jews were viewed by Christians as a useful “other” group. Capable of handling interest and finance in ways that Christians couldn’t. “Shabbos Goys” but reversed.
Even today, Judaism largely endures to the protection afforded to them by dispensationalists who need all the Jews to move to Israel and get blown up so the End Times can kick off.
What does the non-Abrahamic world think of Jews? They don’t care. Jews are irrelevant to their lives.
>How did Ashkenazi Jews take over the world?
Unironically, Christianity. Poltards hate when you point out that Judaism is only relevant on the world stage because of Christianity.
Nobody prior to 0 AD gave a fuck about Judaism. It was just another strange desert cult in a world full of strange desert cults. Despite the Biblical narrative, all historical evidence points to the idea that ancient Israel was just a whatever, backwater nation that most of the world didn’t care about unless they decided they wanted to conquer the region (which they did, successfully, quite frequently). Giant losers of history constantly getting their ass beat. Judaism would have likely died for good after Bar Kohkba if it weren’t for Christianity.
Christianity kept Judaism alive. Rabbinic Judaism developed as a counter-culture movement to Christianity. Christians often asserted that Rabbinic Jews had to be protected and endure as an example of how awful life is under the law. Aquinas, among many others, writes on this topic.
Jews were viewed by Christians as a useful “other” group. Capable of handling interest and finance in ways that Christians couldn’t. “Shabbos Goys” but reversed.
Even today, Judaism largely endures to the protection afforded to them by dispensationalists who need all the Jews to move to Israel and get blown up so the End Times can kick off.
What does the non-Abrahamic world think of Jews? They don’t care. Jews are irrelevant to their lives.
>>17797436
>Even though Jesus didn't establish full world peace or restore the nation of Israel, because of him the entire world was successfully brought to the worship of the God of Israel. Isn't that major evidence in favor of him actually being the Messiah? I mean even in mainstream Orthodox Judaism this is a pretty major thing the Messiah is supposed to do, and Jesus actually did it.
I hate when you retards pull the Bandwagon Argument, because it plays out exactly the same everytime.
>Hurr Christianity big, so it must be true.
Okay, well the majority of planet even today is not Christian. You’re like 25% of the planet.
>That doesn’t matter.
Islam is even set to outsize Christianity in like a decade
>Well, uhm
Hinduism is also huge, very old, and still one of the largest religions today
>Narrow is the path to heaven
Christianity (if you combine Catholics, Prots, and everyone else into one category) is just the largest religions today, and not even by that much. What exactly is so incredible about Christianity from a numbers perspective that it has to be divine? It took literal centuries to even become a semi-serious religion on any actual scale.
>Even though Jesus didn't establish full world peace or restore the nation of Israel, because of him the entire world was successfully brought to the worship of the God of Israel. Isn't that major evidence in favor of him actually being the Messiah? I mean even in mainstream Orthodox Judaism this is a pretty major thing the Messiah is supposed to do, and Jesus actually did it.
I hate when you retards pull the Bandwagon Argument, because it plays out exactly the same everytime.
>Hurr Christianity big, so it must be true.
Okay, well the majority of planet even today is not Christian. You’re like 25% of the planet.
>That doesn’t matter.
Islam is even set to outsize Christianity in like a decade
>Well, uhm
Hinduism is also huge, very old, and still one of the largest religions today
>Narrow is the path to heaven
Christianity (if you combine Catholics, Prots, and everyone else into one category) is just the largest religions today, and not even by that much. What exactly is so incredible about Christianity from a numbers perspective that it has to be divine? It took literal centuries to even become a semi-serious religion on any actual scale.