>>520656410
>All they had to do was stay neutral between the West and Russia btw and not fall for the color revolution meme. Now they are freezing in their homes. A cautionary tale if I ever seen one.
They bought into the money, banks and capitalism jewish psyop. They think the jew-roped-peon jewnion means high wages even for low skilled or unskilled labour, jobs handed out like candy, low prices or at least low prices compared to even modest wages and possibilities for passive income. This is how the current situation was made possible. Through the dumb, misguided opportunism of the average eastern jew-roped-peon. In reality, the jew-roped-peon jewnion means rampant ongoing inflation, massive unemployment, low wages, low career prospects, low social mobility, massive inequality, massive population exodus from the butthurt belt westward, catastrophically low birth rates, very high taxation. But jewcranians are Iodine deficient, gullible and basically dumb as pig shit, like most eastern jew-roped-peons/butthurt belters so they bought into (((the dream))). They think the Roshans invaded to keep them from reaching or pursuing their dream of prosperity and wealth in the jew-roped-peon jewnion. Many such cases.
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>>519281665
Further increasing the pressure to print more and ever faster is the propensity of a large part of the population and also some corporations and businesses to NOT spend all the fiat currency they receive as wages, dividends, rents, royalties or payments for goods sold or services rendered as soon as they receive said fiat currency. And instead electing to sit on part of their income as fiat currency savings in a bank. Which parks that fiat currency out of circulation, at least for a while, and thus contracts the circulating supply of fiat currency by expanding the parked supply of fiat currency. Which, in turn, makes it necessary for new fiat currency to be created and injected into circulation (by giving it to people and businesses who don't have fiat currency they would nevertheless like to spend and are willing to borrow it from a bank in order to spend it) to replace, in circulation, the fiat currency which has been parked, out of circulation, by people and business who keep at least part of their savings as fiat currency in a bank.
Yet another intrinsic, fundamental, systemic problem of the capitalist model is that fiat currency flows within it are uneven and asymmetric. For example, people pay more to businesses as payment for their goods or services than people receive back from businesses as wages, dividends, rent or royalties. This is because ALL businesses have at least expenses towards other businesses, such as suppliers and subcontractors, utilities companies. This means that people, as a whole and as a class of economic agent, pay more, on average, to businesses, as a whole and as a class of economic agent, than businesses pay back to people as wages, dividends, rent or royalties. The difference has to be perpetually made up from and through consumer credit. Which is people constantly borrowing money to make up the shortfall/discrepancy between what they need to pay for goods and services they need or want and what they themselves are paid.
Further increasing the pressure to print more and ever faster is the propensity of a large part of the population and also some corporations and businesses to NOT spend all the fiat currency they receive as wages, dividends, rents, royalties or payments for goods sold or services rendered as soon as they receive said fiat currency. And instead electing to sit on part of their income as fiat currency savings in a bank. Which parks that fiat currency out of circulation, at least for a while, and thus contracts the circulating supply of fiat currency by expanding the parked supply of fiat currency. Which, in turn, makes it necessary for new fiat currency to be created and injected into circulation (by giving it to people and businesses who don't have fiat currency they would nevertheless like to spend and are willing to borrow it from a bank in order to spend it) to replace, in circulation, the fiat currency which has been parked, out of circulation, by people and business who keep at least part of their savings as fiat currency in a bank.
Yet another intrinsic, fundamental, systemic problem of the capitalist model is that fiat currency flows within it are uneven and asymmetric. For example, people pay more to businesses as payment for their goods or services than people receive back from businesses as wages, dividends, rent or royalties. This is because ALL businesses have at least expenses towards other businesses, such as suppliers and subcontractors, utilities companies. This means that people, as a whole and as a class of economic agent, pay more, on average, to businesses, as a whole and as a class of economic agent, than businesses pay back to people as wages, dividends, rent or royalties. The difference has to be perpetually made up from and through consumer credit. Which is people constantly borrowing money to make up the shortfall/discrepancy between what they need to pay for goods and services they need or want and what they themselves are paid.
>>516105511
>>516105875
>>516106278
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is finite.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is scarce.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency doesn't grow in availability faster and faster over time.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is real.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is wealth.
Muh inflation is wealth creation.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency units moving around is what an economy is.
Paying more for things means I'm richer and more prosperous.
The more I pay, the more I get.
When you spend (mostly fictional) fiat currency units, they immediately disappear out of existence. Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is one time use only.
As long as I have (mostly fictional) fiat currency, it doesn't matter if there's nothing to spend it on.
Public debt and the inflation caused by borrowing the money to pay for public deficits into existence is of the devil and inflationary but private debt and the inflation caused by borrowing the money to pay for private deficits into existence is from God the Father and absolutely not inflationary.
Banking isn't inherently fraudulent. Only central banks are bad. Any other bank is perfectly fine, good, wholesome and proper.
>>516105875
>>516106278
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is finite.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is scarce.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency doesn't grow in availability faster and faster over time.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is real.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is wealth.
Muh inflation is wealth creation.
Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency units moving around is what an economy is.
Paying more for things means I'm richer and more prosperous.
The more I pay, the more I get.
When you spend (mostly fictional) fiat currency units, they immediately disappear out of existence. Muh (mostly fictional) fiat currency is one time use only.
As long as I have (mostly fictional) fiat currency, it doesn't matter if there's nothing to spend it on.
Public debt and the inflation caused by borrowing the money to pay for public deficits into existence is of the devil and inflationary but private debt and the inflation caused by borrowing the money to pay for private deficits into existence is from God the Father and absolutely not inflationary.
Banking isn't inherently fraudulent. Only central banks are bad. Any other bank is perfectly fine, good, wholesome and proper.
>>509908652
>As it's not as powerful as the money implies
So you're saying that the purchasing power of the USD has been declining noticeably? Is that what your point is?
Well, no shit. That's the case with every fiat or mostly fictional fiat currency over time.
And you cannot have capitalism without fiat currency or the legalised fraud that is banking.
>Compare it to WW2 how much stuff they were able to produce
Is your point here that the US is a deindustrialised shithole hopelessly reliant on imports?
Well, yeah. That's kind of what capitalism does, haven't you noticed?
Can you produce all the stuff you were able to produce internally 40 years ago?
Of course.
>inb4 modern stuff is way more advanced
What is more advanced, actually? Everything is regressing in either quality, reliability/longevity or robustness/sturdiness. The only things improving are computers/servers and digital devices.
>who cares smartphones are also more advanced yet they can produce them in the millions
As I said, digital devices are better performing. But they also have way less material and cheaper material in them and are way less sturdier than they used to be.
Apart from computing power, what else is improving? The quality of their homes has declined. The quality and serving size of their food has declined. The quality of their clothing has declined. The quality of their cars has declined on a constant price basis. What has improved apart from computing power?
Even the plastic bottles have thinner plastic walls which crumple in on themselves when you start pouring the liquid out.
>As it's not as powerful as the money implies
So you're saying that the purchasing power of the USD has been declining noticeably? Is that what your point is?
Well, no shit. That's the case with every fiat or mostly fictional fiat currency over time.
And you cannot have capitalism without fiat currency or the legalised fraud that is banking.
>Compare it to WW2 how much stuff they were able to produce
Is your point here that the US is a deindustrialised shithole hopelessly reliant on imports?
Well, yeah. That's kind of what capitalism does, haven't you noticed?
Can you produce all the stuff you were able to produce internally 40 years ago?
Of course.
>inb4 modern stuff is way more advanced
What is more advanced, actually? Everything is regressing in either quality, reliability/longevity or robustness/sturdiness. The only things improving are computers/servers and digital devices.
>who cares smartphones are also more advanced yet they can produce them in the millions
As I said, digital devices are better performing. But they also have way less material and cheaper material in them and are way less sturdier than they used to be.
Apart from computing power, what else is improving? The quality of their homes has declined. The quality and serving size of their food has declined. The quality of their clothing has declined. The quality of their cars has declined on a constant price basis. What has improved apart from computing power?
Even the plastic bottles have thinner plastic walls which crumple in on themselves when you start pouring the liquid out.
>>509645587
There are 2 types of fiat currency:
1. Physical cash and coins printed, minted or coined by the central banks (or for them by private businesses under exclusivity contracts with the central banks).
2. Money of account. This is fictional cash and coins which don't exist physically and are just promises to pay cash or coins, in the same nominal amount, to the holder, on demand. They exist on the ledgers of the banking system.
Banks have been granted the right to "legally" deceive the entirety of society that the second type of fiat currency is the same as the first or that it doesn't exist, with the implication being that the second type of fiat currency is actually the first type when it really isn't. The proof that these two are not the same type of fiat currency, and also the proof that there is *A LOT* more of the second type in existence than the first, is that banks can run out of the first type of fiat currency to honour "withdrawal" requests against the second type, by depositors who think they're the same thing, and to avoid that happening, there are laws on the books in every country to force private individuals and businesses to store their physical fiat currency notes and coins, above a meagre amount, in banks and thus only use the second type of fiat currency for their larger transactions. In addition to this, convenience and online purchases ensure that most people prefer the second type of fiat currency.
While only central banks control the creation and issuance into circulation in the economy of the first type of fiat currency, any non-central bank anywhere can issue more of the second type of fiat currency into circulation. They do this by pretending to "lend" the first type of fiat currency to willing borrowers. But in actual fact, they just create more of the second type of fiat currency when they approve the "loan" (which is actually credit and not a loan) and issue it to the borrower. Or a credit card holder pays for something with it.
There are 2 types of fiat currency:
1. Physical cash and coins printed, minted or coined by the central banks (or for them by private businesses under exclusivity contracts with the central banks).
2. Money of account. This is fictional cash and coins which don't exist physically and are just promises to pay cash or coins, in the same nominal amount, to the holder, on demand. They exist on the ledgers of the banking system.
Banks have been granted the right to "legally" deceive the entirety of society that the second type of fiat currency is the same as the first or that it doesn't exist, with the implication being that the second type of fiat currency is actually the first type when it really isn't. The proof that these two are not the same type of fiat currency, and also the proof that there is *A LOT* more of the second type in existence than the first, is that banks can run out of the first type of fiat currency to honour "withdrawal" requests against the second type, by depositors who think they're the same thing, and to avoid that happening, there are laws on the books in every country to force private individuals and businesses to store their physical fiat currency notes and coins, above a meagre amount, in banks and thus only use the second type of fiat currency for their larger transactions. In addition to this, convenience and online purchases ensure that most people prefer the second type of fiat currency.
While only central banks control the creation and issuance into circulation in the economy of the first type of fiat currency, any non-central bank anywhere can issue more of the second type of fiat currency into circulation. They do this by pretending to "lend" the first type of fiat currency to willing borrowers. But in actual fact, they just create more of the second type of fiat currency when they approve the "loan" (which is actually credit and not a loan) and issue it to the borrower. Or a credit card holder pays for something with it.
>>509270729
There are 2 types of fiat currency:
1. Physical cash and coins printed, minted or coined by the central banks (or for them by private businesses under exclusivity contracts with the central banks).
2. Money of account. This is fictional cash and coins which don't exist physically and are just promises to pay cash or coins, in the same nominal amount, to the holder, on demand. They exist on the ledgers of the banking system.
Banks have been granted the right to "legally" deceive the entirety of society that the second type of fiat currency is the same as the first or that it doesn't exist, with the implication being that the second type of fiat currency is actually the first type when it really isn't. The proof that these two are not the same type of fiat currency, and also the proof that there is *A LOT* more of the second type in existence than the first, is that banks can run out of the first type of fiat currency to honour "withdrawal" requests against the second type, by depositors who think they're the same thing, and to avoid that happening, there are laws on the books in every country to force private individuals and businesses to store their physical fiat currency notes and coins, above a meagre amount, in banks and thus only use the second type of fiat currency for their larger transactions. In addition to this, convenience and online purchases ensure that most people prefer the second type of fiat currency.
While only central banks control the creation and issuance into circulation in the economy of the first type of fiat currency, any non-central bank anywhere can issue more of the second type of fiat currency into circulation. They do this by pretending to "lend" the first type of fiat currency to willing borrowers. But in actual fact, they just create more of the second type of fiat currency when they approve the "loan" (which is actually credit and not a loan) and issue it to the borrower. Or a credit card holder pays for something with it.
There are 2 types of fiat currency:
1. Physical cash and coins printed, minted or coined by the central banks (or for them by private businesses under exclusivity contracts with the central banks).
2. Money of account. This is fictional cash and coins which don't exist physically and are just promises to pay cash or coins, in the same nominal amount, to the holder, on demand. They exist on the ledgers of the banking system.
Banks have been granted the right to "legally" deceive the entirety of society that the second type of fiat currency is the same as the first or that it doesn't exist, with the implication being that the second type of fiat currency is actually the first type when it really isn't. The proof that these two are not the same type of fiat currency, and also the proof that there is *A LOT* more of the second type in existence than the first, is that banks can run out of the first type of fiat currency to honour "withdrawal" requests against the second type, by depositors who think they're the same thing, and to avoid that happening, there are laws on the books in every country to force private individuals and businesses to store their physical fiat currency notes and coins, above a meagre amount, in banks and thus only use the second type of fiat currency for their larger transactions. In addition to this, convenience and online purchases ensure that most people prefer the second type of fiat currency.
While only central banks control the creation and issuance into circulation in the economy of the first type of fiat currency, any non-central bank anywhere can issue more of the second type of fiat currency into circulation. They do this by pretending to "lend" the first type of fiat currency to willing borrowers. But in actual fact, they just create more of the second type of fiat currency when they approve the "loan" (which is actually credit and not a loan) and issue it to the borrower. Or a credit card holder pays for something with it.
>>509227775
There are 2 types of fiat currency:
1. Physical cash and coins printed, minted or coined by the central banks (or for them by private businesses under exclusivity contracts with the central banks).
2. Money of account. This is fictional cash and coins which don't exist physically and are just promises to pay cash or coins, in the same nominal amount, to the holder, on demand. They exist on the ledgers of the banking system.
Banks have been granted the right to "legally" deceive the entirety of society that the second type of fiat currency is the same as the first or that it doesn't exist, with the implication being that the second type of fiat currency is actually the first type when it really isn't. The proof that these two are not the same type of fiat currency, and also the proof that there is *A LOT* more of the second type in existence than the first, is that banks can run out of the first type of fiat currency to honour "withdrawal" requests against the second type, by depositors who think they're the same thing, and to avoid that happening, there are laws on the books in every country to force private individuals and businesses to store their physical fiat currency notes and coins, above a meagre amount, in banks and thus only use the second type of fiat currency for their larger transactions. In addition to this, convenience and online purchases ensure that most people prefer the second type of fiat currency.
While only central banks control the creation and issuance into circulation in the economy of the first type of fiat currency, any non-central bank anywhere can issue more of the second type of fiat currency into circulation. They do this by pretending to "lend" the first type of fiat currency to willing borrowers. But in actual fact, they just create more of the second type of fiat currency when they approve the "loan" (which is actually credit and not a loan) and issue it to the borrower. Or a credit card holder pays for something with it.
There are 2 types of fiat currency:
1. Physical cash and coins printed, minted or coined by the central banks (or for them by private businesses under exclusivity contracts with the central banks).
2. Money of account. This is fictional cash and coins which don't exist physically and are just promises to pay cash or coins, in the same nominal amount, to the holder, on demand. They exist on the ledgers of the banking system.
Banks have been granted the right to "legally" deceive the entirety of society that the second type of fiat currency is the same as the first or that it doesn't exist, with the implication being that the second type of fiat currency is actually the first type when it really isn't. The proof that these two are not the same type of fiat currency, and also the proof that there is *A LOT* more of the second type in existence than the first, is that banks can run out of the first type of fiat currency to honour "withdrawal" requests against the second type, by depositors who think they're the same thing, and to avoid that happening, there are laws on the books in every country to force private individuals and businesses to store their physical fiat currency notes and coins, above a meagre amount, in banks and thus only use the second type of fiat currency for their larger transactions. In addition to this, convenience and online purchases ensure that most people prefer the second type of fiat currency.
While only central banks control the creation and issuance into circulation in the economy of the first type of fiat currency, any non-central bank anywhere can issue more of the second type of fiat currency into circulation. They do this by pretending to "lend" the first type of fiat currency to willing borrowers. But in actual fact, they just create more of the second type of fiat currency when they approve the "loan" (which is actually credit and not a loan) and issue it to the borrower. Or a credit card holder pays for something with it.
>>509205910
>OH NOOO THE HORROR MAGIC NUMBER GO DOWN
GDP can't go down because it's inflated by inflation and poverty. And inflation is generated by the perpetual expansion of the supply of fictional fiat currency through the legalised fraud of banking.
LMFAO
The only way out is abandoning capitalism. Too fucking late though. Too late by decades. Extinction or massive conflict and poverty await.
Enjoy your liberalism.
LMFAO
>OH NOOO THE HORROR MAGIC NUMBER GO DOWN
GDP can't go down because it's inflated by inflation and poverty. And inflation is generated by the perpetual expansion of the supply of fictional fiat currency through the legalised fraud of banking.
LMFAO
The only way out is abandoning capitalism. Too fucking late though. Too late by decades. Extinction or massive conflict and poverty await.
Enjoy your liberalism.
LMFAO