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it's fine usually but i don't need a dogpile here
the context is a different thread where people are bitching about how frieren is a terrible show because it just makes the demons ontological evil and doesn't try to negotiate or challenge this, so it's le unnuanced or w/e. i brought up IB as the same idea, and the guy wants to say
>no one ever used this movie to claim anything ontologically
which is only technically true because it's letting "nazi" do that for it - it'd be like if i said frieren didn't make the claim for demons because real life cultural context did. but the fact is, in the movie "nazi" is just a label for "indisputably evil guy" and everyone that watches it that isn't based agreed with that
so he's disputing that
>no, no one actually saw it that way
which is just blatantly fucking false, which is why i pulled a review from 2009 where a guy was directly arguing how it's okay and fun and rubbing one out to defeating ontological baddies, because history but also history be damned, it's just fun
i promise you, the counter is going to be
>well duh, they ARE ontologically bad because le hungabunga, so that's different
which would demonstrate the point: everyone likes defining ontological bad. they just think whatever doesn't agree with their definition is invalid. frieren deciding to kill demons isn't the problem for them - it's that they know the rest of the context makes it clear the demons aren't a sit-in for nazis the way they'd be happy with

it's a similar thing about another argument i had about some marxist complaining that solo leveling was reactionary slop for being a male power fantasy, but getting angry when i asked why this criticism doesn't apply to anarchist power fantasies (any "underdog defeats the evil corporation/parents" story), female ones (the entire magical girl genre), black power narratives, or even pokemon ("i wanna be the very best...") - especially given the guys that like solo leveling are widely not powerful irl