>>511447697
>to be fair, and i dont like either, lots of people organizing together doesn't really prove or disprove the content of their belief.
I don't think you're being very fair and I disagree whole heartedly.
The belief required for national organisation and unity of this scale is immense, it's downright unfathomable in our age.
There simply hasn't been anything like it since. Not even nations with billions of people can rival it.